EVE General Discussion

Ironically both of the above responses are viable self sufficiency routes imo. The pirate self sufficiency route is a bit odd as you need to get the good gank ship to start as well as another account, not just an alt ( power of two ad is in the works), to make that work and again you need the skills and ship for that alt.

What I found early on for me that worked well by slowing the game down is that I learned about the game. While I mined or did the boring things I immersed myself in the RP background, Chronicles and all the nifty stuff. Though early on I didnt use third party programs, as I held it to be "cheating" ( not a game breaker just a personal opinion), but read as much as I could about the lore and idea of the game. Its changed a lot over the years from what CCP first went with the game and the RP and other lore. With the patch and emergent gameplay thats occured over the years its a new game. But one thing that trumps everything else.... KNOWLEDGE!

Knowledge trumps skill points.... as its knowing what to do with a newb account that turns even a 1 day old alt account deadly.

Knowledge trumps isk making potential.... as I can step into a newb account and make more isk faster each time I reroll an account.


Knowledge and the collection of knowledge, be it in third party sites, or programs ( make sure theyre CCP approved), fan sites, forums, intel channels or RL friends. Gain this asset and youll enjoy Eve no matter what path you take to your goal.

Also the idea of a channel, a swap and trade channel might work out well. A sort of flea market or swap meet might work where you create an informal trade of items without the almighty Jita buy/sell price and isk being the ultimate factor. Might actually make the paper clip game viable beyond just being a scam attempt. It would be interesting to see if such a sub culture could develop within Eve. Given time Im sure it could but a lot of that is built on openness and honesty which unfortunately "trust noone" is hardcoded into Eve.

Not sure about that channel but the other advice is sound

How much money do you end up paying a month for those four account? I assume you manage to plex atleast a couple.

I'm self sufficient on 1 account, 2 accounts is ok but any more and you are officially compensating for something

This is going to take a REALLY long time to train up all the skills to be self sufficient. The training is linear and not parallel. Play with a training plan in EvE Mon and then ask yourself again if you really want to do this.

Having said that, for some T2 materials, gank Hulks and/or get good at PvP and take out T2/T3 ships. If mining, you will have way too much of some ores and way too little of others. The obvious thing to do is sell the excess and buy to fill the deficits. But youo don't want to do that.

This could work if you were an immortal with unlimited time to gather resources and build skills to turn your resources into goodies. A likely scenario is an immortal who knows his sun will nova in 100K years, so he mines aluminum and builds a smelting plant so he can make a space ship and travel to another planet. Oh yeah, and all the raw silicon and ion implantaion machines to make semiconductor chips ...

It's a good thing that EvE is easier than real life. Good luck.

Wow, that actually sounds like a lot of fun. Good luck with the project, i'd like to see an update post in like 3 months or something to see if you've been able to keep it up and make it work.

Dimi

Fun/hr > ISK/hr.




I might be up for that, if I can get hold of things I can't easily shift or find on the market. Or get on the market AT ALL, or can't move because they're on the other side of a lowsec gank hub.
All I really have to lose by trying it out is my med clone.

Garden vs green house

hobby vs farm or even hobby farm

Theres a big difference between trying it and saying phew I couldnt do "that" and actually preparing yourself to do it.

I went off and "lived" in the bush a few years back now. Guns, fishing supplies and some food and tools. Self sufficiency was a part of my life. Yet I still came back to town and worked and bought stuff that I needed. But I found out in that year what I could do as a person living off grid with only hand tools.

The OP is attempting the same thing in game. Its an ideology and a mindset. Either you have it or you dont.


Growing things in a garden and trying to feed yourself are very different. Cuz if I told you that next year youd HAVE to feed yourself youd plan, plant and do things a lot differently wouldnt you?

One of the biggest knowledge tidbits is figuring out where everything comes from. High sec, low sec and null sec produce different things. Missions, mining, exploration, salvaging all give different products and also in differing amounts depending on what it is or where it is.

So figuring out where to get stuff in the proper amounts is a huge gain in knowledge. As then you can start figuring out your supply chains. Honestly what your doing is becoming a primary to end producer figuring out how far down the primary supply chains youll need to go until your self sufficient, like with T2 you cant go down far enough to become a sole primary producer. Later on this scales well with any gaming style why? Because youve figured out and learned on the basic levels not only how everything integrates but also how hard or easy it is to obtain, invent, manufacture each portion. Youll find bottlenecks and supply gluts quite often which are marketing sources. Youll also see, more often than not well beforehand, if there will BE a supply glut or shortage due to CCP or supply/demand changes. Youll be more set to ride out the waves as if supply shortages or higher demand screws your "lifestyle" youll be more set skill and mentality wise to supply your own when that equilibrium is breach through game changes.

But like others have said its knowledge hard earned. The skill set takes longer to attain. The knowledge takes a long time to master or even to learn itself. The desire to keep up the lifestyle or game style in search of instant gratification or "fun" wains. Its not for the faint of heart. But it IS possible. Its a long road much less traveled. You will need more than one account or alts and with alts itll take much longer again due to the presence of CCPs only one account can be in training method. How many more youll "need" is up to you and how long you want your "game" to last. The longer you want the game to last for you or the more difficult you wish to make it the fewer youll have and the longer itll take.

MAKE FRIENDS!! early on and fast, depend on them for the first few million in seed isk. Like the old homesteaders. Often a bank or older more prominent community member would "stake" someone. Consider such stakes, then repay them quickly and with interest and thanx as this will jump start your efforts considerably. The first skill sets to make this happen as well as a cruiser, industrial and destroyer combo to do what you need are under 10-20mil. The skills are the cheapest portion and should be bought en masse. All the basics youll need are very cheap and only run a few mil. The cruiser, indy and destroyer and fittings, which should last you quite a while until you get yourself set up if your careful and use knowledge, will be a bit pricier. Make these last and make them multifunctional and youll repay that stake isk in short time.

Repayment of such a loan even while unnecessary to many old gamers seals trust. A commodity in short supply in this game. And a quick repayment and usefulness of the isk to obtain the necessary "survival supplies" shows a commitment to this game for the long term versus the shorter term instant gratification aspects of begging for isk or hand outs.

Cheers