EVE General Discussion

This is the main reason. Its harder to do. Its like homesteading versus getting a "real" job and putting in your 8 hours a day and buying things. Youll make much more, have "nicer" stuff so to speak, and get there faster putting in 8 hours a day at some job your specialized in than doing it this way. But ultimately the rewards arent about having stuff faster or having more. Its a way of life even in game. A Tao so to speak within Eve. Sure itll be a subset of the Eve population thatll even bother trying.

Ive done a lot of things. Tbh had I not gone this route this game woudlve bored the **** out of me and Id have stopped playing oh about 5 years ago now. As there was nothing left to DO in game. So I started playing my own lil way. Creating something for myself out of scratch so its neat seeing people doing or even wanting to do the same things in game.

As for race. There arent any superior races anymore for this. Since they leveled the character creation skills and attributes none of that applies. What will mean the difference between success and failure imo will be your first 3-6 month training plans. That imo should require the most thought as staging things properly to ensure you get things where you want them will be your toughest test. Especially early on. Think a kid waiting for everything... to drive, to drink, to vote, etc, etc. And going back and retraining a toon will have the same effect. Everything you can do on your main easily, stuff youve forgotten about skillplan wise or even how fast or slow it is and took for granted, will be so far away and near impossible at times with your "child" toon.

Good luck. Seriously youll need it and brains. This path will NEVER be for the faint of heart or those who get bored, frusterated or quit easy. And remember in this game EVERYONE will be a target out to get you simply because you ARE going it alone. But if you succeed youll know that you did something that few ppl in this game CAN do and most wont even try to.

your post made me try this self sufficiency on this character:
i got rid of all my assets and got myself a noobfrigate
and i must say im suprised how much fun this is: i never produced anything in eve before because i always thought:" hey i can do other things to get more isk and then buy them cheap:-) "
And well i cant explain how happy i was after i got the 2 megacyte needed for my first salvager (took me 1,5h)
I hope you (and me) will resist the market for a long time:-)

Try Alchemy.There is a Dev Blog on it somewhere. Allows you to make various different moon materials with different materials than normal. It's supposed to be for when there are shortages.

You'll be mining and salvaging for months just to build the drake and all of it's mods and rigs.

You can do it no matter how much time you have to play. Obviously if you have more time you'll get there faster. It wouldn't be hard, but it would be very time consuming if you're only playing a couple hours a day.

I started out trying that. It's tough. Compromises were (and continue to be) made. T2 production comes to mind first.

Good luck to you!

As for the T2 compromise... I'm currently thinking I'll be willing to buy the compenents from the market as long as I do the invention on my own. Of course to do the invention, I'll need to get some datacores so it will still take time. That's pretty far in the future, though.

I'm struggling right now just to get enough nocxium and megacyte from the loot drops from level 1 missions to build stuff. The removal of t1 m0 drops is a bit painful for me.

I might have to get into exploration sooner than I thought.

You are going to go absolutely crazy doing this. Good luck I guess.

What's your mineral intake? I'm really curious.

Are you doing any mining? If so where and what? How long and such.

I was trying to mine the minerals to make several drakes, and just the ship alone was more than I could handle before I said ef this. Now my alts a market hooker. Parked her and Jita.

Several hours a day, felt like my brain was going to run out of my ears. May have.

I've started to get serious about T2 mods. Making all the stuff looks like work. I'd rather just buy it.

Every PLEX I convert to ISK is an investment of sorts.
Need a rush alt? Create a character, buy a Cerebral, plaster it on, get Cybernetics to Level 4 and smack on +4s, and then do specialized skilltraining. No one can do that off the bat unless they did their research or have played before.

Need minerals, but Hulkageddon and/or crap refine skills and standings?
Mass purchase from Jita or wherever is cheap, and start making stuff with it.

Have freighter, no capital for collateral?
Same thing - then again, it has to be worth the actual effort of warp0ing every single gate on route to destination for an hour or so.

But the ultimate goal is self sufficiency, though with friends to support as well, it gets complicated. Think of a friend you need to pay sub for as a module stacking penalty - the more you have, the easier it is to earn isk, but get past a certain number of friends and it becomes pointless. Same goes with alt accounts - latter being more efficient ingame-wise as they're all under your control (and you surely can trust yourself) but less so for you (multiboxing setups, using multiple systems, monitors, keyboards, mice, etc. Suddenly, wild electric bills appeared!). And don't dare get started on being CEO of a newly made Serious Business corporation, much less an alliance... that's just like screaming 'I AM A MASOCHIST'.

..in my opinion, anyway. Just reading that page on being corp CEO has me internally screaming 'my body is not ready for that'...

It's a noble goal, but one best accomplished by blowing people's ships up for the loot.

I've found T2 wrecks sitting on gates on jita corridors, however. T1 industrial wrecks jammed with loot. Wrecked gank ships. Cargo cans full of junk. GSCs unanchored in belts just ripe for the taking.