EVE General Discussion

Well, look at all things you can do in Eve and how there isn't really an endgame. I feel like there are so many options and different ways of approaching them. For example, with mining you can have a huge orca/rorq boosted fleet, you can mine with a few people or just sit with your retriever on your own plus there are the different regions (low,high, null). Granted the actually mining process is the same, but there are so many ways to do it.

In games like Wow, all the professions are very solo oriented. The endgame which is a large factor in why people plays requires you to play with others. Eve just has so many options and ways for you to play depending on your time available and interests.



Do you experience all that EvE has to offer? How many people have done this? True, I will be limited from possibly experiencing somethings but how many people never leave high sec?

You can get T2 components by shooting haulers with t2 loot in cargo.
T2 salvage is something you can get to if you have a cloaking frigate and go salvage on gates in NULL sec / Jita undock.

For loot, train probing skills, go to L4 mission runner sites and salvage their wrecks. If you see some goodies worth a few millions, steal it.

Do the L1 Sisters Of EvE Epic Arc missions. That, along with the starter missions will give you quite a lot of stuff.


This sounds like a challenge.. Maybe I should do the same?



OP: Question: Are you allowed to create your own 1 man corp and join an alliance?

I have played solo i think more than 1 year afther that some guy help me out in a gate camp and so i started my journey of the pvp /corp thats now almost 3 years ago sinds that iam more like a hunter... when i get borred.

Exploration's a good path for self-sufficiency and the "jack-of-all trades" path. To get the most of it you have to have good combat and harvesting skills (otherwise you find three grav sites and two gas clouds while looking for DEDs and radars and think "Gee, I wish I could have mined that).

I don't strictly live by the BPOs only rule, though, but it's nice to be able to support yourself when the local market is jacked up or has nothing you want.

I see what you did there, lol

The MMO population is just like real life. There are people who still like to participate without having to constantly hang out with people. There are introverts and extroverts, and extroverts simply don't understand why anyone would like to be off by themselves. It's because constantly being around others is draining. It's more exhaustive.

Go play a single player game you say...but that's not the same. I like manufacturing stuff and selling it...alone. I like mining...alone. I like probing for radars...alone. I like creeping up on you cloaked and trying to kill you...alone. No pressure to constantly do what someone else wants me to do. I don't play MMOs to be your constant companion. And I like the ever changing atmosphere of MMOs. I like the community, even if I'm not immersed in it to the same degree you are...as in real life.

EVE isn't all that different from any other MMO in this regard. It's just that EVE has more of an aggressive culture because it's so heavily PVP oriented. There's no decent solo PVP in this game. Therefore, soloists and carebears tend to be singled out by jerks like you and ridiculed. C'est la vie.

This has been my goal in Eve from day one. I started in 2003 and I am fully there now. And theres a lot of alts involved. There are still things I cannot produce or get on my own but they are very few and far between, mostly its high end deadspace and officer items. Some things require sov and null sec space for and to do full T2 production from moon goo will be impossible for you so unless your going to head to null and have about 20 moon goo towers with reactions in at least 4 different regions spread throughout New Eden, as some of the goo is racial specific, nevermind that you will NEVER solo own any truly worthwhile moon *cough*tech*cough or dypso, true T2 production start to finish is impossible solo. But literally everything else can be achieved.

A) You will want alts and multiple accounts. in fact what your planning requires it. You wont need many if you keep your plans fairly small.

B) You will need to read a TON. Knowledge will be your friend. Be it on the forums or in game from other people. As Eve has grown the manufacturing processes have also expanded and branched out becoming MUCH more in depth. As each patch has come out theyre created more and more layers of integration which has really tried to limit this gameplay option from occuring. This was the challenge I have accepted and thrived under in the Eve world.

C) Most, if not ALL, of what your going to be doing will be tedious, boring, unfun, unexciting and quite bland. It will also take a horrendous amount of time. So as a casual gamer this will be the hardest part. You will wait days if not weeks as a casual just for basic commodities. T2 and the acquisition, invention, manufacturing of basic goo ( assuming you skip the acquisition of actual goo and the reaction chains), manufacturing of t1 base item and then final manufacturing of T2 ship/item will be a full time job in itself. I know of many people that specialize just in this area of the game alone. It is involved and long. Likewise the T3 chain is just as long and involved.

D) Most gameplay such as this is so involved you will NOT have time to PvP nor will you wish to due to the time it takes to create your own items. Youll be entirely concentrated on material acquisition and have little "free" time to do the funner things. Of course if this style of gameplay IS fun for you then your gold. It truly is work. So if you dont want a second job this gameplay isnt for you. Though its challenging and fun in figuring out where everything is produced and to ensure a proper supply of goods and materials as well as integrating everything into their proper chains it is a lengthy process that takes a lot of planning, thought and effort to complete. Its NOT instant gratifications by all means.

E) Skills and skill sets. This will be your most challenging aspect. It will entirely depend on how many accounts or characters you will have or manage, including alts. Who does what and when and where are all significant factors. Supply bottlenecks in differing areas due to time or resource collection restraints will be a HUGE headache. No matter how big or small your operations are. Not having access to certain items will lock out that entire supply chain or area of the game. But then it also depends on what you consider self sufficient to be really. Also to achieve this goal with one account and up to 3 characters on that single account will be tough and again seeing as you can only train ONE of those at a time resource collection will be terribly slow and even producing T1 battlecruisers and T1 modules will be a full time job if you plan on using and losing them.


Now that the main issues and concerns have been voiced Ill leave you with this. This entire idea is the ONLY reason Eve has remained "fun" and exciting for 9 years for me. Each change to the supply chains, each addition, nerf or buff to certain things has allowed me to slowly create a fun and interesting style of play that is truly all my own. Its been a long slow ride from mining Battleships in a moa of all things in the dark ages of Eve. Theres truly little that I havent built myself in this game or procured for myself through just time and effort invested on my part. I still buy things as its easier or faster yet I too wanted the same idea your looking for. To be fully self sufficient. Ive done this in real life as well, going off into the bush with some supplies to carve a living out of nothing in the wild. hunting, fishing and growing crops, building my own log cabin and truly living off the land. It is the same mentality that I have in Eve. It is fun and enjoyable but be prepared for a lot of setbacks and struggles. To me it is these challenges that make Eve truly a limitless game. And be aware that there will be people everywhere that will kill you for everything you have or destroy it just to kick over your sandcastle and be a bully. It is harsh but rewarding.

You sir are an EVE god, and I salute you. o7
It's posts from super long time players like you that make me all the more interested in this game.

Is it time to ask for his stuff yet?

It's the same ideology as when people talk solo Pvp they actually mean they are controlling 3 alts. Sometimes you need to bend the mold a bit in order to achieve this goal.

Eternus was spot on about his advice, having 1 or 2 alts will allow much more flexibility and make the plan much more achievable, while it won't truly be self sufficient the end goal will still be the same. Personally if I did this, I would bend the rules on T2 minerals as well, either by just buying raw and doing the simple and complex reactions to get what you need, or just being real lazy and having T2 complex mins as the only thing(other then skillbooks and BPOs) that would be bought.

Its a noble idea however it will be tedious and take a very long time to get up and running to a good point, even more so if you are doing it on a single character.