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Nerfing Highsec manufacuring and the "End of EVE" as we know it

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Frying Doom
#61 - 2012-09-07 05:21:56 UTC
Gun Gal wrote:
so lets see....... in highsec, manufacturing is king, why? probobly the same frikin reason that in real life the DEVELOPED COUNTRIES are the best at it too.

you want to have third world countries be the best at manufatcuring and the like?

jesus christ, you loosers are bigger idiots than i thought, and if CCP goes for this good luck on holding subs.

ill look on from the sidelines as the game with the greatest potential ever is nerfed into oblivion by the minority of loudmouthed whiners.

ive seen alot over the past 9 years of EVE, but this last year is really gettin rediculous, stupid ideas, stupid buisness practices, and catering to the vocal minority.

CCP, seriously take a good look what your doing, and to you vocal minority pushing for ******** changes, if i could reach though my computer screen and slap you with a dead fish, i probobly would.

prob get a ban on this post, but so what, ill just post on another account


So where does the USA get most of its manufactured goods? The developed countries or the less developed ones with lower costs?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-09-07 05:23:02 UTC
Gun Gal wrote:
so lets see....... in highsec, manufacturing is king, why? probobly the same frikin reason that in real life the DEVELOPED COUNTRIES are the best at it too.

you want to have third world countries be the best at manufatcuring and the like?

jesus christ, you loosers are bigger idiots than i thought, and if CCP goes for this good luck on holding subs.

ill look on from the sidelines as the game with the greatest potential ever is nerfed into oblivion by the minority of loudmouthed whiners.

ive seen alot over the past 9 years of EVE, but this last year is really gettin rediculous, stupid ideas, stupid buisness practices, and catering to the vocal minority.

CCP, seriously take a good look what your doing, and to you vocal minority pushing for ******** changes, if i could reach though my computer screen and slap you with a dead fish, i probobly would.

prob get a ban on this post, but so what, ill just post on another account



You are right. Too be fair though, then large alliances should be able to setup their own manufacturing as flexible as they would like; since they have put in the effort to pretty much establish their own "country" in game. While highsec carebears just suck at the NPC teet (for manufacturing slots and costs). Buff industry in nullsec, god knows the effort they put into establishing and maintaining their space makes them deserve it. Ideally, only limit nullsec industry by what can be managed by the alliance/corp, no artificial limits.

James315 for CSM 8!
Gun Gal
Dark Club
#63 - 2012-09-07 05:23:20 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:
jesus christ, you loosers are bigger idiots than i thought, and if CCP goes for this good luck on holding subs.

ill look on from the sidelines as the game with the greatest potential ever is nerfed into oblivion by the minority of loudmouthed whiners.

Yeah I mean sheesh, moving towards being low-risk good-enough-reward is totally the wrong thing to do just because some people scream when they're ganked.

Ah well, I guess we'll just have to let them take the gun buffing and then maybe we'll see about more CONCORD buffs.


The people who cry the worst are not the highsec people, sorry, I've spent more time in low/null over the years than most have played eve.
Gun Gal
Dark Club
#64 - 2012-09-07 05:25:18 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:
so lets see....... in highsec, manufacturing is king, why? probobly the same frikin reason that in real life the DEVELOPED COUNTRIES are the best at it too.

you want to have third world countries be the best at manufatcuring and the like?

jesus christ, you loosers are bigger idiots than i thought, and if CCP goes for this good luck on holding subs.

ill look on from the sidelines as the game with the greatest potential ever is nerfed into oblivion by the minority of loudmouthed whiners.

ive seen alot over the past 9 years of EVE, but this last year is really gettin rediculous, stupid ideas, stupid buisness practices, and catering to the vocal minority.

CCP, seriously take a good look what your doing, and to you vocal minority pushing for ******** changes, if i could reach though my computer screen and slap you with a dead fish, i probobly would.

prob get a ban on this post, but so what, ill just post on another account



You are right. Too be fair though, then large alliances should be able to setup their own manufacturing as flexible as they would like; since they have put in the effort to pretty much establish their own "country" in game. While highsec carebears just suck at the NPC teet (for manufacturing slots and costs). Buff industry in nullsec, god knows the effort they put into establishing and maintaining their space makes them deserve it. Ideally, only limit nullsec industry by what can be managed by the alliance/corp, no artificial limits.

Oh I'm all for buffing loaded/null industry, but not at the expense of highsec.
Frying Doom
#65 - 2012-09-07 05:27:34 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:
so lets see....... in highsec, manufacturing is king, why? probobly the same frikin reason that in real life the DEVELOPED COUNTRIES are the best at it too.

you want to have third world countries be the best at manufatcuring and the like?

jesus christ, you loosers are bigger idiots than i thought, and if CCP goes for this good luck on holding subs.

ill look on from the sidelines as the game with the greatest potential ever is nerfed into oblivion by the minority of loudmouthed whiners.

ive seen alot over the past 9 years of EVE, but this last year is really gettin rediculous, stupid ideas, stupid buisness practices, and catering to the vocal minority.

CCP, seriously take a good look what your doing, and to you vocal minority pushing for ******** changes, if i could reach though my computer screen and slap you with a dead fish, i probobly would.

prob get a ban on this post, but so what, ill just post on another account



You are right. Too be fair though, then large alliances should be able to setup their own manufacturing as flexible as they would like; since they have put in the effort to pretty much establish their own "country" in game. While highsec carebears just suck at the NPC teet (for manufacturing slots and costs). Buff industry in nullsec, god knows the effort they put into establishing and maintaining their space makes them deserve it. Ideally, only limit nullsec industry by what can be managed by the alliance/corp, no artificial limits.

One would hope we can all get better refining and manufacturing with the new POS system. Well here is hoping that way we are actually funding the cost and upkeep of our own factories rather than suckling on NPC factories and well NPC factories should charge more, they have to pay for their upkeep, plus pay taxes and make a profit as well.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Pipa Porto
#66 - 2012-09-07 05:30:13 UTC
Gun Gal wrote:
Oh I'm all for buffing loaded/null industry, but not at the expense of highsec.


I'm not sure you understand the concept of a Zero sum game.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-09-07 05:35:49 UTC
Gun Gal wrote:

Oh I'm all for buffing loaded/null industry, but not at the expense of highsec.


You can't buff industry in nullsec, especially to the level I would hope, and not have it be to the detriment of highsec. Every competes in the same market, so if null manufacturing is buffed, the balance is lowsec and highsec have to take an indirect nerf (balancing of the market). Since lowsec market and industry is almost non existent, I guess that leaves highsec competing with nullsec; meaning a buff to nullsec is a nerf to highsec.

James315 for CSM 8!
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#68 - 2012-09-07 05:38:44 UTC
I can see certain industries thriving in a High Sec environment.

I can also see other types of industry being more "acceptable" in a Low Sec environment.

What we need are more types of "borderline" industries that are frowned on in high sec but welcomed with open arms in the much less restricted Low Sec area's..

Considering much of Low Sec is ideally situated midway between the rich and rare resources of Null Sec, and the heavy market volume of High Sec, this could easily be done in a sensible way.

Truth be told, large area's of Low Sec are now well populated... primarily around the FW systems. Industry is gaining a foothold, and piracy is very subdued in these area's. Momentum is building for a sensible plan to be put in place that finally will give Low Sec a purpose and an appeal to those willing to be challenged by their environment.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#69 - 2012-09-07 05:43:53 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:

Oh I'm all for buffing loaded/null industry, but not at the expense of highsec.


You can't buff industry in nullsec, especially to the level I would hope, and not have it be to the detriment of highsec. Every competes in the same market, so if null manufacturing is buffed, the balance is lowsec and highsec have to take an indirect nerf (balancing of the market). Since lowsec market and industry is almost non existent, I guess that leaves highsec competing with nullsec; meaning a buff to nullsec is a nerf to highsec.

We should concentrate on the low/nullsec only production like (capitals besides (jump freighters) ) and in sov nullsec specifically, supercapitals.

Let's all return to the days where we were all gearing up to play Supercapitals Online.

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Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-09-07 05:47:54 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:

Oh I'm all for buffing loaded/null industry, but not at the expense of highsec.


You can't buff industry in nullsec, especially to the level I would hope, and not have it be to the detriment of highsec. Every competes in the same market, so if null manufacturing is buffed, the balance is lowsec and highsec have to take an indirect nerf (balancing of the market). Since lowsec market and industry is almost non existent, I guess that leaves highsec competing with nullsec; meaning a buff to nullsec is a nerf to highsec.

We should concentrate on the low/nullsec only production like (capitals besides (jump freighters) ) and in sov nullsec specifically, supercapitals.

Let's all return to the days where we were all gearing up to play Supercapitals Online.


Thanks for defeating my argument...Shocked

Guess I'll just have to look forward to being supercap blobbed in my Rifter...Sad

James315 for CSM 8!
Ghazu
#71 - 2012-09-07 06:02:31 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:

Oh I'm all for buffing loaded/null industry, but not at the expense of highsec.


You can't buff industry in nullsec, especially to the level I would hope, and not have it be to the detriment of highsec. Every competes in the same market, so if null manufacturing is buffed, the balance is lowsec and highsec have to take an indirect nerf (balancing of the market). Since lowsec market and industry is almost non existent, I guess that leaves highsec competing with nullsec; meaning a buff to nullsec is a nerf to highsec.


So you don't want low and null to buy and build locally?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-09-07 06:15:51 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:

Oh I'm all for buffing loaded/null industry, but not at the expense of highsec.


You can't buff industry in nullsec, especially to the level I would hope, and not have it be to the detriment of highsec. Every competes in the same market, so if null manufacturing is buffed, the balance is lowsec and highsec have to take an indirect nerf (balancing of the market). Since lowsec market and industry is almost non existent, I guess that leaves highsec competing with nullsec; meaning a buff to nullsec is a nerf to highsec.


So you don't want low and null to buy and build locally?


Okay this is not hard.

If low and null produce and buy/sell locally, they will no longer be purchasing from highsec; lowering demand for highsec produced goods. If null is buffed to the point I think is deserved, it would be way more profitable to produce there, and they could undercut the highsec market as well. This will have adverse effects on highsec industry and trade. You can not buff one area with out an indirect nerf of the other.

Current highsec industry I think is out of balance due to mechanical reasons, so I am definitely for a buff to null/low; especially null (because it fits well with the empire building aspect).

I was simply explaining that one cannot buff low/null and not effect high.

James315 for CSM 8!
Frying Doom
#73 - 2012-09-07 06:32:52 UTC
Actually I think we have gotten the balance wrong already. I don't think this should be a High sec/low sec/Null sec argument.

This should be an argument between renters and owners.

Now with the new POS system in the Pipes it should really be designed so that if you own your own manufacturing and refining capabilities these should be better and cheaper than if you are renting someone elses slots.

So because you are using an NPC's slots it should cost you more and much like the rental of office slots this should be done on supply and demand, if the research slot you are trying to book is unavailable for 2 months because other people are paying for it then the owner of the facility (the NPC corp) would charge you more.

On the same function as this Outposts should be changed over to be very large POS structures.

This way those who want to pay for their own industry abilities get a foot up no matter where in space you are and no matter where you are in space supply and demand is god.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Arbiter Reformed
I Have a Plan
Shadow Cartel
#74 - 2012-09-07 06:37:57 UTC
tax all you want, just fix the ui and not being able to set multiple jobs in the same patch pls
Ghazu
#75 - 2012-09-07 06:51:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghazu
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:

Oh I'm all for buffing loaded/null industry, but not at the expense of highsec.


You can't buff industry in nullsec, especially to the level I would hope, and not have it be to the detriment of highsec. Every competes in the same market, so if null manufacturing is buffed, the balance is lowsec and highsec have to take an indirect nerf (balancing of the market). Since lowsec market and industry is almost non existent, I guess that leaves highsec competing with nullsec; meaning a buff to nullsec is a nerf to highsec.


So you don't want low and null to buy and build locally?


Okay this is not hard.

If low and null produce and buy/sell locally, they will no longer be purchasing from highsec; lowering demand for highsec produced goods. If null is buffed to the point I think is deserved, it would be way more profitable to produce there, and they could undercut the highsec market as well. This will have adverse effects on highsec industry and trade. You can not buff one area with out an indirect nerf of the other.

Current highsec industry I think is out of balance due to mechanical reasons, so I am definitely for a buff to null/low; especially null (because it fits well with the empire building aspect).

I was simply explaining that one cannot buff low/null and not effect high.

And what is wrong with that? Don't the highseccers "just want to be left alone, play the game your way?"
See how "your way" is not good for business?

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Cass Lie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-09-07 07:08:57 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Ghazu wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:

Oh I'm all for buffing loaded/null industry, but not at the expense of highsec.


You can't buff industry in nullsec, especially to the level I would hope, and not have it be to the detriment of highsec. Every competes in the same market, so if null manufacturing is buffed, the balance is lowsec and highsec have to take an indirect nerf (balancing of the market). Since lowsec market and industry is almost non existent, I guess that leaves highsec competing with nullsec; meaning a buff to nullsec is a nerf to highsec.


So you don't want low and null to buy and build locally?


Okay this is not hard.

If low and null produce and buy/sell locally, they will no longer be purchasing from highsec; lowering demand for highsec produced goods. If null is buffed to the point I think is deserved, it would be way more profitable to produce there, and they could undercut the highsec market as well. This will have adverse effects on highsec industry and trade. You can not buff one area with out an indirect nerf of the other.

Current highsec industry I think is out of balance due to mechanical reasons, so I am definitely for a buff to null/low; especially null (because it fits well with the empire building aspect).

I was simply explaining that one cannot buff low/null and not effect high.

And what is wrong with that? Don't the highseccers "just want to be left alone, play the game your way?"
See how "your way" is not good for business?


Why do you go ad hominem? He only explained the concept of a zero sum game and the only subjective statement was that the game could use some (specific) balancing. With what part do you disagree?
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#77 - 2012-09-07 07:29:13 UTC
Ghazu wrote:

And what is wrong with that? Don't the highseccers "just want to be left alone, play the game your way?"
See how "your way" is not good for business?


I too would like to live in a bubble, just not when I am playing an MMO.

1. My way is as a horrible lowsec pirate who Plexes for ISK. Don't see how this is relavent.

2. If you meant my idea, it is not bad for business. It is a balanced changed, "Zero Sum"; the highsec industrialists are just on the wrong side of it. Nullsec industrialists would greatly prosper from the change.

Understanding this takes rudimentary logic skills; how do you struggle with this? Is it because it is hard to organize your thoughts when written in crayon? See I can ad hominen too!

James315 for CSM 8!
Ghazu
#78 - 2012-09-07 07:33:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghazu
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Ghazu wrote:

And what is wrong with that? Don't the highseccers "just want to be left alone, play the game your way?"
See how "your way" is not good for business?


I too would like to live in a bubble, just not when I am playing an MMO.

1. My way is as a horrible lowsec pirate who Plexes for ISK. Don't see how this is relavent.

2. If you meant my idea, it is not bad for business. It is a balanced changed, "Zero Sum"; the highsec industrialists are just on the wrong side of it. Nullsec industrialists would greatly prosper from the change.

Understanding this takes rudimentary logic skills; how do you struggle with this? Is it because it is hard to organize your thoughts when written in crayon? See I can ad hominen too!

I am just struggling to see how it is such a great goddamn tragedy for highsec to be oh god on the harmed side of the zero sum game.
*Also no need for you to jump out, I said "highseccers" I didn't mean you (oh crap i did used the word 'your')
Sorry I get like that after reading 3 pages of highsec whine from people like the OP.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Frying Doom
#79 - 2012-09-07 07:40:23 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Ghazu wrote:

And what is wrong with that? Don't the highseccers "just want to be left alone, play the game your way?"
See how "your way" is not good for business?


I too would like to live in a bubble, just not when I am playing an MMO.

1. My way is as a horrible lowsec pirate who Plexes for ISK. Don't see how this is relavent.

2. If you meant my idea, it is not bad for business. It is a balanced changed, "Zero Sum"; the highsec industrialists are just on the wrong side of it. Nullsec industrialists would greatly prosper from the change.

Understanding this takes rudimentary logic skills; how do you struggle with this? Is it because it is hard to organize your thoughts when written in crayon? See I can ad hominen too!

I am just struggling to see how it is such a great goddamn tragedy for highsec to be oh god on the harmed side of the zero sum game.

While I don't mind Zero sum, I would prefer that the whole place ran on supply and demand. the more people that want to use an NPC station the more the NPC station will charge...that plus added costs from the Empires for supporting their War efforts if they are loosing at FW.

But everything should be player based, for example if everyone in Null used 1 NPC station, then the prices there would sky rocket while a station in Hi-sec that is not used would have lowing prices+War tax of course.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
pussnheels
Viziam
#80 - 2012-09-07 07:46:42 UTC
RAGE QU1T wrote:
So CCP wants to nerf High sec manufacturing , ok do it, if you think mods and ships are expensive now wait to see how much of an increase you will see with this nerf, and to confirm low sec is bleep and will forever be bleep and no amount of incentive will be enough for indy corps and alliances to move their assets to low sec to conduct their manufacurting under the illusion of IDK WTF??? after all this is a litter box and if i dont want i live in a certain part of space i dont have too, that's why i pay subs. i emplor every industirist to bat phone their CSM representative in hopes to find out WTF is CCP thinking about????

Discuss

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/09/06/jesters-trek-cogs/

learn to read the original source , CCP said they might do something but they still not sure what they will do
and if they do i don't think it will be that dramatic , there s just not enough capacity out in 0.0 and low to replace the highsec

second don't take evenews24 serious it is highly biased and full of nonsence and hearsay

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire