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Herr Ronin For CSM 8: High Sec Representative

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Tonali
Perkone
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-09-10 12:20:53 UTC
+ 1
Appalled
Clan Wolf
#62 - 2012-09-14 14:38:10 UTC
+1
Anslo
Scope Works
#63 - 2012-09-14 17:01:48 UTC
Carebear CSM best CSM

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#64 - 2012-09-16 20:37:57 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
You say that currently hisec doesn't have a voice on the CSM. Do not Issler Daize and Keldruum qualify in your opinion?


You're assuming Kelduum doesn't have ulterior motives. Also, who is Issler?

btw, isn't it a bit early for CSM 8 candidates to be popping up, or are we going along with that no confidence thing?
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Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#65 - 2012-09-18 22:46:13 UTC
I have an idea,
let's prevent all nullsec alliances from griefing highsec incursions by putting them on a blacklist so that they can't use stargates in system with highsec incursions.

Do eeeeeet ronnin, do eeet!
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#66 - 2012-09-19 17:31:48 UTC
Ammzi wrote:
I have an idea,
let's prevent all nullsec alliances from griefing highsec incursions by putting them on a blacklist so that they can't use stargates in system with highsec incursions.

Do eeeeeet ronnin, do eeet!


Sarcasm from Ammzi over an Incursioner who may make it to the CSM?
Awwww some1 still sad he is blacklisted for being a traitorous leech & egomaniac, here Ammzi have a cookie Blink
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UkaIS
Dammalin Industries Incorporated
#67 - 2012-09-25 16:36:06 UTC
My vote will go to Ronin for sure. I've been running with him and ISN for quite some time now and only have positive words for either one and I do think he is certainly able to make a change for the better in HighSec.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-10-03 21:50:29 UTC
Herr Ronin wrote:
I am currentlly taking email suggestions from any and all players and will strongly represent the communities will. Knowing that my particular game play is as indivudual as all other High sec players, I dont presume to know what everyone wants but i will do my best to represent them in CSM 8.

This reads pretty much as 'I don't have any policies but I will bandwagon onto whatever issues I think will get me voted in'.

There's never been any shortage of highsec candidates for CSM, the problem has always been the inability of those candidates to stand out from the crowd because they tend to fall into the trap of saying what you are saying - that they'll represent the will of the people and push whatever issues the community tells them to, rather than setting out clear issues and opinions in advance that players can use to make an informed decision.

Right now, you're the first to stick your head over the parapet, but come voting season there'll be another 20 or so guys all saying the same as you and nobody is going to say 'I'm voting for Herr Ronin because he posted his candidacy thread 6 months ago'. How will you distinguish yourself from the others?

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Shaggygoblin3
NECROTIC LEGION
Carebear's Fight Back
#69 - 2012-12-15 01:01:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaggygoblin3
Scatim Helicon wrote:


This reads pretty much as 'I don't have any policies but I will bandwagon onto whatever issues I think will get me voted in'.



This is your interpretation of the statement. Not everybody. You would have not come across as a troll (my interpretation) had you given a bit of thought to that end.

I fly Incursions. I used to be a Mission Runner. I mainly fly in TVP due to the simpler requirements on pilots to get into fleet.
I have grown up (just a bit, lol) and have flow with ISN on numerous occasions. I have flown under Herr.

I can say, from my own personal experience, Herr is patient. He listens. He digs to the roots of problems, then fixes, with the best interest of those involved, regardless of personal bias. I have seen him do this many times.

I speak only of my experience, in fleets, with Herr.

Allow me to pose this Rhetorical Question:

Would you vote into position, someone who has his own opinion/idea of what is, or would you vote into position the guy who asks YOU, the rest of the players, your opinion/ideas as to what is?

I for one, would rather vote for someone who asked my opinion on what is, rather than the guy who thinks he knows all the problems, and knows how to fix them. In the end, he may address the issues he feels needs addressing. But the Issues I or You, the rest of the world, feel might need some attention just got brushed under the rug, as they don't fit into the guys opinion of needing attention.

You vote for the guy who asks you, the players, what needs attention.

OR

You vote in the guy that already has an idea/opinion about what needs attention, and you hope it holds some semblance of your ideas/opinions.

In the end, it's all a matter of interpretation, of which, your life experiences, values, and ideals will shape your impression and understanding into a unique opinion, not necessarily shared by others.

"An opinion is akin to an anus.
We all have one, and it stinks..." -Unknown

oh, yeah....

+1 for the guy who best fits my idea/opinion of what needs attention, Herr Ronin.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#70 - 2012-12-15 13:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Shaggygoblin3 wrote:
Allow me to pose this Rhetorical Question:

Would you vote into position, someone who has his own opinion/idea of what is, or would you vote into position the guy who asks YOU, the rest of the players, your opinion/ideas as to what is?

I for one, would rather vote for someone who asked my opinion on what is, rather than the guy who thinks he knows all the problems, and knows how to fix them. In the end, he may address the issues he feels needs addressing. But the Issues I or You, the rest of the world, feel might need some attention just got brushed under the rug, as they don't fit into the guys opinion of needing attention.

You vote for the guy who asks you, the players, what needs attention.

OR

You vote in the guy that already has an idea/opinion about what needs attention, and you hope it holds some semblance of your ideas/opinions.

In a political process, people vote for candidates who have a standpoint that correlates with their own. Liberal voters vote for liberal candidates, conservative voters vote for conservative candidates, socialist voters vote for socialist candidates. Nobody votes for the blank canvas who says "I have no opinions about anything, I stand for whatever you think I should stand for". That's the risk that your candidate faces here - by attempting to appeal to everyone, he appeals to no-one.

There will be no shortage of highsec candidates. There never is a shortage of highsec candidates, the problem that highsec always faces in CSM elections is an abundance of nominally similar candidates who end up splitting the vote too thinly for any of them to get through. Your man has a base as an highsec Incursion FC but there aren't nearly enough highsec incursioners to bloc-vote him in, and unless he expresses some actual opinions that players outside of that bloc can use to make a judgement on his suitability he won't win over anyone beyond that small group.

If I am Random Undecided Eve Player who is looking for somebody to vote for but has never interacted with Herr Ronin, what am I supposed to use to judge whether he is the right candidate for me, when right now all I have to go on are his non-opinions about highsec and the +1s of his buddies?

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#71 - 2012-12-16 02:39:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Seleene
Herr Ronin wrote:
There are many reasons why I have thought about a decision like this; one of the main Factor's is currently High-Sec has not got many Voice's on the CSM, ~


Let me give you some advice, m8 - don't make your campaign all about "HI SEC" or any other kind of sec. Go into more depth about what your overall play experience in EVE actually is because I can promise you that if you put yourself in a box you will be limiting your voting pool. The CSM does not work in actuality (post-election) based upon who ran on what issues; while some members tend to have more institutional knowledge of a particular subject, they are not always the best to speak on it depending on the context of an ongoing discussion.

As for the current CSM, your three points are already well covered by Alek, Issler and Keldumm. Hell, Elise has forgotten more about Incursion running than most players will ever know. Don't assume that an alliance tag is a broad paint brush for what an EVE player is familiar with. Come election time, if current voting trends continue, you are probably going to need a minimum of at least 2,000 votes to get on CSM 8. Good luck.

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Aether Serval
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2012-12-16 20:11:50 UTC
I'd rather vote for some one running as a PVE (Yes I'm aware the the economic impacts of pve have pvp consequences) representative than as a Hi-Sec one.

Missions are aside from years of round hole square peg add ons and fixes, the same stale repetitive content from when I started my on/off game play of EVE back in 2008.

As content they seem hardly worthy of a modern game, and the same could be said for much of exploration. Every time they come up the focus seems to be on Risk/reward related buffs and nerfs, concerns like mine that regardless of the rewards the substance of the content is in need of review rarely gets a mention.

I've recently returned to EVE, training up a new character for T3 to use in wh day tripping and low sec roaming, I'm not sure if these things will hold my interests better than past activities. I'm curious if you or anyone else for that matter is in anyway concerned about the actual entertainment value of this sort of content rather than another round of debate on the rewards.
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#73 - 2012-12-17 23:01:00 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
You say that currently hisec doesn't have a voice on the CSM. Do not Issler Daize and Keldruum qualify in your opinion?


You're assuming Kelduum doesn't have ulterior motives. Also, who is Issler?

btw, isn't it a bit early for CSM 8 candidates to be popping up, or are we going along with that no confidence thing?


I'm the current high sec/mining rep on the CSM, the leader of the alliance with the third largest bounty in Eve and a person who like say "ring mining" a lot, plus sign my posts..... Big smile

Issler
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#74 - 2012-12-17 23:02:58 UTC
But seriously, don't know much about you but I welcome anyone that has the commitment to be part of the CSM to give it a try.

Good luck in the next elections!

Issler
Jax OdenSki
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#75 - 2012-12-18 22:26:42 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:


In a political process, people vote for candidates who have a standpoint that correlates with their own. Liberal voters vote for liberal candidates, conservative voters vote for conservative candidates, socialist voters vote for socialist candidates. Nobody votes for the blank canvas who says "I have no opinions about anything, I stand for whatever you think I should stand for". That's the risk that your candidate faces here - by attempting to appeal to everyone, he appeals to no-one.

?



I'm gonna run for the n00bs!!

Who cares what the game was like 5 or 10 years ago, ricdic stole the old timers money.. The hatchery and G &W used loopholes to make trillions!

We need to look to the future, CCP needs n00bs, they PAY for their accounts old schoolers have macro'd and loop holed all the isk and play for free!! Who cares what they want!! CCP needs to look towards new blood and the n00bs are the future.
Anslo
Scope Works
#76 - 2012-12-19 15:55:07 UTC
Bump and +1.

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#77 - 2012-12-22 23:35:52 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Herr Ronin wrote:
There are many reasons why I have thought about a decision like this; one of the main Factor's is currently High-Sec has not got many Voice's on the CSM, ~


Let me give you some advice, m8 - don't make your campaign all about "HI SEC" or any other kind of sec. Go into more depth about what your overall play experience in EVE actually is because I can promise you that if you put yourself in a box you will be limiting your voting pool. The CSM does not work in actuality (post-election) based upon who ran on what issues; while some members tend to have more institutional knowledge of a particular subject, they are not always the best to speak on it depending on the context of an ongoing discussion.

As for the current CSM, your three points are already well covered by Alek, Issler and Keldumm. Hell, Elise has forgotten more about Incursion running than most players will ever know. Don't assume that an alliance tag is a broad paint brush for what an EVE player is familiar with. Come election time, if current voting trends continue, you are probably going to need a minimum of at least 2,000 votes to get on CSM 8. Good luck.


I would quite enjoy it if he managed to push you or one of your kind out.
The bulk of the CSM can couch it in whatever language they like, using words like "balance", and "risk/reward", and "emergent gameplay", all they like, but bottom line, your actions have shown your true colours.

You want to obliterate high sec as a viable way to make ISK in the game.

High sec needs about 8 members on the CSM to get proper representation, but even getting one true high sec rep (please don't insult anyone's intelligence suggesting that Kelduum or Issler are high sec reps) would be better than we have today.

But in reality, the war has been lost already. The high sec haters have won, and all a high sec rep will be able to do on CSM 8 is be cast as whiner, when he sees the changes that are already in the pipe.

Nonetheless, I will be exercising my democratic right to vote for a high sec rep, assuming CCP has not banned me by then.
wabbitrage
N-RAGE
#78 - 2012-12-23 11:59:17 UTC
You've got my votes mate. I'll help you campaign!

Can't wait to get the whole community onboard!
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#79 - 2012-12-23 12:09:06 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Seleene wrote:
Herr Ronin wrote:
There are many reasons why I have thought about a decision like this; one of the main Factor's is currently High-Sec has not got many Voice's on the CSM, ~


Let me give you some advice, m8 - don't make your campaign all about "HI SEC" or any other kind of sec. Go into more depth about what your overall play experience in EVE actually is because I can promise you that if you put yourself in a box you will be limiting your voting pool. The CSM does not work in actuality (post-election) based upon who ran on what issues; while some members tend to have more institutional knowledge of a particular subject, they are not always the best to speak on it depending on the context of an ongoing discussion.

As for the current CSM, your three points are already well covered by Alek, Issler and Keldumm. Hell, Elise has forgotten more about Incursion running than most players will ever know. Don't assume that an alliance tag is a broad paint brush for what an EVE player is familiar with. Come election time, if current voting trends continue, you are probably going to need a minimum of at least 2,000 votes to get on CSM 8. Good luck.


I would quite enjoy it if he managed to push you or one of your kind out.


Hi, I created wormholes with CCP Greyscale and have spent most of my time in and out of CCP pushing equally on many different features. I'm pretty sure I nerfed something you love at some point as well, but that's life in the sandbox. My null-sec bias is blindingly obvious.

Quote:
You want to obliterate high sec as a viable way to make ISK in the game.


Actually, I was part of the original Invention dev team that ended the T2 BPO monopoly and opened up new avenues of revenue for ALL players. I don't care what part of space you live in.

Quote:
High sec needs about 8 members on the CSM to get proper representation...But in reality, the war has been lost already. The high sec haters have won, and all a high sec rep will be able to do on CSM 8 is be cast as whiner, when he sees the changes that are already in the pipe. Nonetheless, I will be exercising my democratic right to vote for a high sec rep, assuming CCP has not banned me by then.


You're not wrong in that if someone on the CSM spends their entire term talking about nothing but one area of space that they will be marginalized. That's pretty much a fact because no one else on the CSM or at CCP is going to listen to someone that misses the point that all areas of EVE game play are interconnected. The best CSM members are those that have an understanding of the how different elements of the game relate to each other and can argue their points intelligently without coming across as a single minded automaton.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-12-23 22:02:39 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I would quite enjoy it if he managed to push you or one of your kind out.
The bulk of the CSM can couch it in whatever language they like, using words like "balance", and "risk/reward", and "emergent gameplay", all they like, but bottom line, your actions have shown your true colours.

You want to obliterate high sec as a viable way to make ISK in the game.

High sec needs about 8 members on the CSM to get proper representation, but even getting one true high sec rep (please don't insult anyone's intelligence suggesting that Kelduum or Issler are high sec reps) would be better than we have today.

But in reality, the war has been lost already. The high sec haters have won, and all a high sec rep will be able to do on CSM 8 is be cast as whiner, when he sees the changes that are already in the pipe.

Nonetheless, I will be exercising my democratic right to vote for a high sec rep, assuming CCP has not banned me by then.

ahahahahahahaha

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.