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Any tips for getting a frightened "My shiny ship" carebear to pvp?

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Deena Amaj
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-09-06 16:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Deena Amaj
Another thread reminded me to ask this. Pirate

Uh yeah.

I happen to have a long time buddy from WoW times. He's all cool and stuff and is playing Eve too. I don't have to worry about him reading this since he doesn't speak english, but who cares. :P I want to help him get a bit more of Eve, but I am a bit stuck at the moment.

Whatever. He has the "My shiny ship" syndrome as somebody called it so, where people give their ships names and act like its a flagship and don't want to lose. Additionally, if he/she were to lose that ship, they'd pretty much quit Eve with a single fingersnip.

The other thing is that he does so little things with the actual ships too. So basically, you'll see them fully fitted and stuff like but doing nothing but gathering dust as the station. Not to mention the hours-long studies of staring at it and hearing all these things about ship aestetics (spelling). ~_~ Guess that's what you get for an X3 player flying indestructable shiny ships or whatever ;D.


I said to him that I would even provide throwaway T1 ships whilst joining the 0.0 corp for action as any player can pull up some fun-to-play tactics without worry with them - yet he still refuses.


I know there are certain PVE'er carebears, etc, who do not like PVP and do not need to be forced to it as it is their decision, but I want to know if there some way to break the ice after all. Already tried several "therapies" but I have the feeling this is a tough patient, heh.
I've tried it slow too, but he's still not considering to even hit undock with a damn rookie ship, let alone losing that clone.


I'm quite certain there are a few veterant players who had to put up with this too. Please share your thoughts.
Thanks.

confirthisposmed

I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them.

James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#2 - 2012-09-06 16:55:07 UTC
I've heard of PvP-phobia, but this sounds like a very severe case. Normally I would recommend having the carebear fly a throwaway ship and get used to watching explosions, but you already tried that to no avail.

Recommendation: Attack him yourself, blow up his ship. Some birds need to be pushed out of the nest. Cool
Kiandoshia
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-09-06 16:56:32 UTC
You can give me some therapy.. =(
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-09-06 16:58:43 UTC
Let him enjoy EVE in his own way, eventually he'll grow wealthy off pve content but also bored with it, in my opinion that's the time to introduce him to PVP.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#5 - 2012-09-06 16:59:27 UTC
Contract 20 Rifters to him with a load of cheap fittings. Tell him to get them all blown up by next week or you'll gank his stupid ship.
Togg Bott
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-09-06 17:05:17 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Contract 20 Rifters to him with a load of cheap fittings. Tell him to get them all blown up by next week or you'll gank his stupid ship.



this is actually a good idea to try with him/her. make sure he/she is in a throwaway clone as well cause people will sometimes ragequit over losing a billion+ isk clone. then send him to The Open University of Celestial Hardship (OUCH) for survival training.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#7 - 2012-09-06 17:07:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Quote:
You can give me some therapy.. =(


Me too, I like my flagships, all of them. I don't buy ships to blow them up. Blowing up Is stupid, because i would have to buy another one, and another one, and another... Lol
Jaison Savrin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-09-06 17:07:15 UTC
Why does he need to PvP? If he enjoys what he is doing then he enjoys it. Let him do his thing. If he gets to a point that he wants to branch out and try other things then offer to show him PvP. Until then let him have fun in the ships he likes and do what he wants with them.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#9 - 2012-09-06 17:08:56 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Contract 20 Rifters to him with a load of cheap fittings. Tell him to get them all blown up by next week or you'll gank his stupid ship.


Excellent strategy. The only thing to add would be to make sure you blow up his shiney ship whether he makes good on losing the 20 Rifters or not.

It's for his own good, as ship loss is inevitable in this game (unless you never undock).

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Deena Amaj
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-09-06 17:09:34 UTC
Heh. Yeah, I'll try.

I already left him alone long enough by the way. We're talking about a year or two, and nothing changed.

Just a reminder, you can't gank what never undocks ;).

But I will see that I get him to fly Rifters or something, and if I must shove it down his throat.

Quote:
You can give me some therapy.. =(

Damn, can't find my L word for Eve ships pic. ;D

Never mind. Make an appointment with my secretary (who would be me). P


No seriously now.
I just thought there was some work around with this. There is a lot of fun to be had but the more I see him in that state, the more it is burning me to push him over the edge to go swim.

confirthisposmed

I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them.

War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#11 - 2012-09-06 17:11:24 UTC
My first instinct was to post what James 315 did, so instead I'll try a different idea. :)

Get him to come to you in a "safe spot" somewhere and test your tank for you. Tell him you want to see how well your armor repair works or how cap stable it is or some such nonsense. Offer to pay for his ammo if need be.

Then after a few of those, see if he'll do a mock duel with you - agree to stop at structure or something suitably honorable with no permanent loss.

Or, try a T1 frigate tournament in your corp. That always gets the non-pvp, but semi-pvp-curious types interested when there is a goal and some competition to be had, but no loss of pride when you assplode.

Failing all of that, yeah, blow him up yourself :)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#12 - 2012-09-06 17:13:30 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
My first instinct was to post what James 315 did,

That feeling...hold onto it...
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
The Mockers AO
#13 - 2012-09-06 17:13:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Well, it's easy.

You need to tell him that you need his help.

Appeal to his need to be your friend. "Man, I REALLY NEED YOU to help me move this industrial freighter full of 100B ISK in stuff in Low/Null sec, you're the only person I can trust with this. Please help me!"

And then tell him you need him to scout, and make sure you have a mock fight ready setup with another friend that Mr uberCarebear can win in his crap fit scout ship.

Then if he wins the fight and doesn't get the PVP bug, then nothing will.

Arrow

Where I am.

Deena Amaj
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-09-06 17:15:33 UTC
Jaison Savrin wrote:
Why does he need to PvP? If he enjoys what he is doing then he enjoys it. Let him do his thing. If he gets to a point that he wants to branch out and try other things then offer to show him PvP. Until then let him have fun in the ships he likes and do what he wants with them.



I know what you mean. Using force is counter-productive, but I'm really insisting to get him the taste of things, for the sake of his RL money.


There are just a few things that contradict the logic.
Because a) He likes pvp, and pvp'ed more than enough with me in WoW, b) It is not asking for much - and I have who load of reasons that exceeds the amount of alphabets.

But one thing I forgot to mention, aside to sticking to the ships - it is not just that:

He is also not insisting to look at Lowsec.
You can do PVE in Lowsec and 0.0 too of course. It is also more challenging and fun. Not to mention that I want to go visit and do Lowsec/0.0 team ups with him but "he ain't movin'" ;-/, hence my search on ways to get him get the feeling.


He is also more of a Medic-player, but he is not insisting to do that either with internetz speez shipz.

confirthisposmed

I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them.

Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-09-06 17:17:50 UTC
100% of all EVE players suffer from PvP phobia they just dont admit it which is why


1. Blobs exist
2. Players only wardec weaker corps/alliances
3. Nobody ever fights ever unless they are certain that they are going to win.


Tell him to join a highsec baddass merc corp then he can blob month old retriever pilots all day.


Hope that helps :)
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-09-06 17:18:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
EVE's harsh death penalty can be very hard to overcome, especially for some who are accustomed to playing games where one spends many hours acquiring items which one keeps when they died. To come from a lifetime of games like that into one that makes you work just as hard if not harder to get stuff, then takes it away if you lose, isn't very fun for some people, and naturally creates an aversion to risk just like one would experience in real life under similar circumstances.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Deena Amaj
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-09-06 17:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Deena Amaj
Bloodpetal wrote:
Well, it's easy.

You need to tell him that you need his help.

Appeal to his need to be your friend. "Man, I REALLY NEED YOU to help me move this industrial freighter full of 100B ISK in stuff in Low/Null sec, you're the only person I can trust with this. Please help me!"

And then tell him you need him to scout, and make sure you have a mock fight ready setup with another friend that Mr uberCarebear can win in his crap fit scout ship.

Then if he wins the fight and doesn't get the PVP bug, then nothing will.

Arrow


Hehe, okay I see where everybody is going with this.

I doubt I should blow him up -- but the OMG BRO, I NEED YOUR HELP, LIKE RIGHT NOW! seems to be a good start. In fact, that is a good idea to start with. Thanks.



edit:

he is also in a more or less dead corp nobody is insisting to wardec. While that may be cool for pve'ers, he is not doing anything fancy in the PVE area to even enjoy that either. :-/

confirthisposmed

I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them.

Aziesta
Serenity Labs
#18 - 2012-09-06 17:22:41 UTC
Link him to youtube videos of pvp fights. Even when all I ever did was mine, I still enjoyed watching pvp fights others had frapsed and put up. Eventually he might want to try it for himself. Since you mentioned 0.0, try to find some fights with capitals, those usually make an impression with people who've never left highsec.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#19 - 2012-09-06 17:24:18 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
100% of all EVE players suffer from PvP phobia they just dont admit it which is why


1. Blobs exist
2. Players only wardec weaker corps/alliances
3. Nobody ever fights ever unless they are certain that they are going to win.


Tell him to join a highsec baddass merc corp then he can blob month old retriever pilots all day.


Hope that helps :)

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2012-09-06 17:25:24 UTC
Cheap t1 frigates. Best fun for your money.
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