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"The Mittani.com" vs "Eve News24"

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Lindsay en Gravonere
An Errant Venture
#41 - 2012-12-14 13:58:04 UTC
Robus Muvila wrote:
Miri Amatonur wrote:
Robus Muvila wrote:
(...)

Wow. Being compared to Xinhua or Pravda. That's pretty impressive. You do know that we (themittani.com)



The one thing that I have never understood, are the people who seem to assume the whole site is just the mittani in a dark room writing every article. seeing every thing that goes on in the site. TheMittani.com is a busy and substantial site with independent news desks, editors, proofreaders who answer to other people in the hierarchy than The Mittani.
But of course, I could be all part of the conspiracy, and another Mittani alt like everyone who writes for the site.... Cool


Mr. Muvila, i don't suspect you to be any alternative character of the notorious TheMittani. But when i look at your colors. Yes sir, you are part of the conspiracy since you belong to the Goons and everything they stand for. So does themittani.com which is part of the metagame of the Goons and SA to accomplish their objectives within EVE and all the other games that feature articles on that site.

Thank you for proving my point about the former independent writers and other personal who fell for propaganda trick, that the site wouldn't be part of the metagame. But it is.
As i pointed out: They are the veil to delude the unwary. Themittani.com is some kind of smart psy-ops of the Goons. Pure metagame!





The fact that I a goon is incidental, I am in fact the lead developer for the site. I built that damn thing. I am one of the few people who is intrinsically connected to the site, but not involved in content production or management. I just work the machinery. We even have people who don't play eve but report on other games.

But whatever you're just going to say "But gooooooon! Cry"


Goony, you got some 'splainin' to do!

/Ricky Ricardo
Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-12-14 14:19:11 UTC
Robus Muvila wrote:

(...)
The fact that I a goon is incidental, I am in fact the lead developer for the site. I built that damn thing. I am one of the few people who is intrinsically connected to the site, but not involved in content production or management. I just work the machinery. We even have people who don't play eve but report on other games.

But whatever you're just going to say "But gooooooon! Cry"


I don't criticize you, your work building that website or running it.

It is the intent of the side combined with the name theMittani and the developer being a Goon which provides the affair a fishy smell.

For what stands theMittani?
Metagaming, espionage, deception, scams, providing entertainment for Goons & Something Awful forums and accumulation of wealth for Goons by exploiting game mechanics and market manipulations (OTEC, ice, ...). Indeed theMittani has become a brand but it only sounds well for Goons and their pets.

So what do we have to expect of a website called themittani.com?

The very same!

Manipulation, deception, metagaming and lolz for Goons & Something Awful community.


Sorry, but I have to quote myself.

Miri Amatonur wrote:

Don't read there!
Don't work for them!
Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-12-14 16:00:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Robus Muvila
Miri Amatonur wrote:

I don't criticize you, your work building that website or running it.

It is the intent of the side combined with the name theMittani and the developer being a Goon which provides the affair a fishy smell.

For what stands theMittani?
Metagaming, espionage, deception, scams, providing entertainment for Goons & Something Awful forums and accumulation of wealth for Goons by exploiting game mechanics and market manipulations (OTEC, ice, ...). Indeed theMittani has become a brand but it only sounds well for Goons and their pets.

So what do we have to expect of a website called themittani.com?

The very same!

Manipulation, deception, metagaming and lolz for Goons & Something Awful community.


Sorry, but I have to quote myself.

Miri Amatonur wrote:

Don't read there!
Don't work for them!



Well apparently we are literally the borg.

Awesome.

This is getting boring and repetitive now so I will simply paste the part of the about page you were to lazy to read.

I imagine that there is a natural presumption that the site name was his decision, and that it is an example of the industrial-scale hubris that led to Goonswarm’s capital system being renamed “Mittaningrad”. In fact, I chose the name despite his concerns. Mittani himself wanted the site to be called something very worthy and descriptive like “Internet Spaceship News” or the like: dull enough that I genuinely can’t remember.

“The Mittani” has become a brand: one of the most recognisable and googled phrases or labels in Eve, it simply has recognition value that we would have struggled to create with anything else. I wanted us to profit from the better part of a decade of work and history that many new websites would give their right arm to possess. Although I admit that the would-be customers of, say, a travel site start-up might be a bit confused by the name. And the consequences of seeking to piggyback on that history for a sensitivity-training and human resources dotcom would be downright disastrous.

I remember reading, several years ago now, one of our enemies sagely informing his alliance that there was no “The Mittani”: that it was a shadowy group who used the fictional character of “The Mittani” as a nom de plume through which to speak to Goons and Eve. I think that we have all seen that gelled hair often enough now to know that he was wrong at the time, but in the end he wasn’t that far off.


Well to all others who are finding this conspiracy mandering boring and done to death, feel free to do the exact opposite of what she wants you to do.

TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-12-14 22:30:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Miri Amatonur
Robus Muvila wrote:

Awesome.

This is getting boring and repetitive now so I will simply paste the part of the about page you were to lazy to read.


Seems you might not fully grasp about what i was talking. There was no need to read about. It's not the character TheMittani, he might had some success and influence in the past but right now he's some kind of figurehead or brand as you put it. It's the thing he became the brand for. That's the thing that leaves the bad taste.

Robus Muvila wrote:

I imagine that there is a natural presumption that the site name was his decision, and that it is an example of the industrial-scale hubris that led to Goonswarm’s capital system being renamed “Mittaningrad”. In fact, I chose the name despite his concerns. Mittani himself wanted the site to be called something very worthy and descriptive like “Internet Spaceship News” or the like: dull enough that I genuinely can’t remember.


Honestly it doesn't matter if it was his idea or yours or some else's idea. Any other name would have suited better and might have produced less revulsion.

Robus Muvila wrote:

“The Mittani” has become a brand: one of the most recognisable and googled phrases or labels in Eve, it simply has recognition value that we would have struggled to create with anything else. I wanted us to profit from the better part of a decade of work and history that many new websites would give their right arm to possess.


Rocognisable. Oh yes. But most times not in a positive way since Goons took down BoB years ago (except for Goons, pets and SA).
I fear you won't profit from it as much as you thought.

Thank you for coming by to plead your cause.
Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#45 - 2012-12-14 23:11:47 UTC
Miri Amatonur wrote:
Seems you might not fully grasp about what i was talking. There was no need to read about. It's not the character TheMittani, he might had some success and influence in the past but right now he's some kind of figurehead or brand as you put it. It's the thing he became the brand for. That's the thing that leaves the bad taste.


Winning EvE?

TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-12-15 08:07:49 UTC
Robus Muvila wrote:

(...)

Winning EvE?


This is going to be very offtopic ...
You can't win in EVE. Atleast that's my point of view.
You can fulfill your objectives but that is all the win you'll ever get in EVE.

back to topic

What is the objetive of themittani.com?

You sir tell us, it's there to provide a news plattform because there was nothing good around.
Many more believe and encountered different things:

Frying Doom wrote:
Both have some interesting articles and while themittens.com is better written, the name really does show Goonswarms need for attention.


Josef Djugashvilis wrote:

(...)
I would no more read The Mittani.com than I would read a newspaper by R. Murdoch and his acolytes and expect to find impartial news reportage.


General Nusense wrote:
The Mittani.com is biased. Will always be biased.

A couple of months ago the CFC started to turn EN24 in to its current state. It was all done to make sure The Mittani.com would be released and people would read it.

If any of you remember, earlier this year CFCs big plan was to take over all media outlets that were focusing on EvE. The only way his website would be viewed was to have the no brain masses of the CFC slam, bash, degrade, talk **** and beat the publics perception of EN24 in to the ground. Why you ask? Because its not CFC controlled and they couldnt control what was posted on the site.

This means bad CFC propaganda was being distributed to the casual Eve player. Which is something that would hurt mittens Ego, and he couldnt have that.


Aineko Macx wrote:
Initially mittani.com looked as if it would indeed be a source of less biased, or at least multilateral news. But that pretense has clearly been dropped now.
Their mods have also started banning ips of critical commenters.


Propaganda. Even censorship.

Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-12-15 18:18:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Robus Muvila
Well my Brothers friend said that CCP were actually Lizard people and that Miri Amantonur was one of their agents

Hearsay and speculation are all well and good, but not really valid now are they? Cool, I like how you are willing to accept them on their own merit and nothing more. Don't forget that in addition to that we have spies inside CCP, we rules the CSM like some sort of puppet organisation, we have a say in every expansion that comes out so that we can make sure they benefit us and I'm sure we're right outside your bedroom window now.

Did I miss any other conspiracies?

And no, we don't IP ban dissenting opinions.

Those of you who have been locked out of comments have been locked out for having commenting Down's Syndrome.


  • "I don't like this article and think goons are up to something" = Acceptable
  • "HURRRR GOONS ARE DICKS LOL" = What?

TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-12-16 10:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Miri Amatonur
Robus Muvila wrote:
Well my Brothers friend said that CCP were actually Lizard people and that Miri Amantonur was one of their agents

Hearsay and speculation are all well and good, but not really valid now are they? Cool, I like how you are willing to accept them on their own merit and nothing more. Don't forget that in addition to that we have spies inside CCP, we rules the CSM like some sort of puppet organisation, we have a say in every expansion that comes out so that we can make sure they benefit us and I'm sure we're right outside your bedroom window now.


Thank you for that excellent joke. You made my day and our community is still laughing. Pirate

But lets see.


  • Spies within CCP. check
  • Rule of CSM. beep, wrong
  • rule the content of next expansions. beep, wrong
  • bedroom window. beep, wrong (had to check it, but gladly there is nobody Twisted)


One out of 4. It could be worser, or.
The CSM, atleast for this period, is history for Goons. Wasn't there something with a few drinks to much and a strange guy with an even stranger hat? Shocked

But hey might be that this was the trigger event to create that imperialistic propaganda tool themittani.com. Somehow SA and Goons had to intervene after the figurhead had to step down.
There was no way to play psy-ops within CSM this year so you needed some way to win the masses for Goon's ideas and actions. So they came up with themittani.com. There is nothing better than the media to influence the opinion of the masses.

Vile Rat (rest in peace) is an example that there are people within SA who are capable of planing and executing such an operation.
The Goons are no altruistic or charity organisation within EVE (except themself).

That leaves only one conclusion!

Themittani.com is metagaming, propaganda and psy-ops.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-12-16 11:47:26 UTC
Fascinating reading. Let me sell you my tinfoil hat, it's SUPER EFFECTIVE.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-12-16 12:08:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Miri Amatonur
Welcome to the discussion Lord Zim.

I'm honored that i've attracted the attention of a very effective forum warrior of the Goons.

Maybe i'm to bold but i say: Next level.

Lord Zim wrote:
Fascinating reading. Let me sell you my tinfoil hat, it's SUPER EFFECTIVE.


Trying to blame me as paranoid didn't worked well so far. I'm sure you can come up with something smarter.
So keep the tin foil for yourself.

Your arrival marks that i've hit a weak spot.

What can you bring up in the defence Xin-themittani.com-hua?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-12-16 12:44:52 UTC
"Some random bored goon poster told me I'm paranoid, THIS IS EVIDENCE THEMITTANI.COM IS A PROPAGANDA FRONT!"

Roll

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-12-16 13:14:48 UTC
Quote:
"Some random bored goon poster told me I'm paranoid, THIS IS EVIDENCE THEMITTANI.COM IS A PROPAGANDA FRONT!"

That is rather poor argument sir. I expected more of you.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2012-12-16 17:30:41 UTC
Miri Amatonur wrote:
Quote:
"Some random bored goon poster told me I'm paranoid, THIS IS EVIDENCE THEMITTANI.COM IS A PROPAGANDA FRONT!"

That is rather poor argument sir. I expected more of you.

You're an idiot

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-12-16 18:42:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Miri Amatonur
Grath Telkin wrote:

You're an idiot


Wow, awsome news.

I'm looking forward to see your chain of evidence which led you to this conclusion.

While we wait for PL to figure it out. Back to topic.

Come on, even NASA is able to deliver more proves that humans were on the moon. The 9/11 commission more proves that it was a terrorist attack than you delivered so far about themittani.com.

All you presented so far was a self-written statement about brands and history.
Mirima Thurander
#55 - 2012-12-17 00:08:37 UTC
Given I can't be bothered to type any thing in a search bar and all ready have the 24 site book marked I guess I keep checking that one till I get a link to a different site. Possibly one that gets UPDATE ON THE WEEKENDS will be the one I check more often.

All automated intel should be removed from the game including Instant local/jumps/kills/cynos for all systems/regions.Eve should report nothing like this to the client/3rd party software.Intel should not be force fed to players. Player skill and iniative should be the sources of intel.
Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-12-19 18:48:02 UTC
I think it's time for a recap since the Goons left the field to find some valid evidence.

Let's beginn with some facts:

  1. The origin of the Goons is the Something Awful community (SA).
  2. The top priority is entertainment for the Goons, which they generate from anyone who isn’t Goon.
  3. Some Goons are good in metagaming.
  4. A notorious figurehead of the Goons had to step down from CSM7 after some strange statement at Fanfest 2012 which violated the EULA.
  5. The Goons founded a news website earlier in 2012. It’s called themittani.com. Awesome name isn’t it? Well they tell us they took it, because it is something like a brand and has a lot of history. Well at least a strong history of metagaming, if you ask me. But can someone else combine anything good with the name TheMittani or Goons besides Goons, Test and their pets? Ok they destroyed BoB, but they turned into BoB reloaded ever since.
  6. They have recruited a ton of staff for themittani.com and try to become a main source of news about EVE.


So much about the facts.

With no representation at CSM7 Goons needed some other tool to influence the masses. What is better than the media to influence them?

SA has a vast pool of human resources. Vile Rat (rest in peace) was one example for it, employed by the US State Department. TheMittani himself is a lawyer. I’m sure there are some media professionals in SA too. So we have the critical mass to plan and execute a well-planned media offensive to gain/maintain influence.

The site was in bad need of freelancer writers and staff. Can’t tell how they convinced the guys but they got them. So they got some viable and some less viable sources to generate a steady flow of articles.
Somewhere between that is the one or the other article of the Goons. Et voilà metagaming, half-truths, lies and propaganda of the Goons well surrounded by independent stuff.

Those Freelancers provided them with a nice cover and veil.

If you ask me themittani.com is something like Xinhua or Pravda.
If you ask the Goons all of the above is a conspiracy theory.

There are a lot of conspiracy theories around, which can be proved to be wrong. NASA and independent sources are able to deliver a ton of proves that humans were on the moon. The 9/11 commission delivered tons of proves that it was a terrorist attack.

What presented the Goons so far about their news site? A handful of Freelancers, who were convinced to work for them and a self-written statement about TheMittani being a brand these days.

Don't read there!
Don't work for them!
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2012-12-19 23:37:54 UTC
I check each site daily. I prefer the writing on themittani.com
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#58 - 2012-12-21 04:28:24 UTC
I have to admit that by the time I get to Eve News 24 I've almost always read all the interesting articles because they already appeared on the blogs I read. But the EN24 Twitter feed comes in handy when I miss something.

At this point TM.com is only about 50% Eve and the rest games I'm not really interested in. I do find it funny that everyone thinks The Mittani created TM.com to win Eve. He's got his sights set much higher. You can tell by the content of the articles he's aiming for a wider audience that just us internet spaceship geeks.

Oh, and TM.com is lacking something. Stories about bots. Bot tears = best tears. Twisted

The Nosy Gamer - CCP Random: "hehe, falls under the category: nice try, but no. ;)"
Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-12-23 21:37:30 UTC
Miri Amatonur wrote:
I think it's time for a recap since the Goons left the field to find some valid evidence.

Let's beginn with some facts:

  1. The origin of the Goons is the Something Awful community (SA).
  2. The top priority is entertainment for the Goons, which they generate from anyone who isn’t Goon.
  3. Some Goons are good in metagaming.
  4. A notorious figurehead of the Goons had to step down from CSM7 after some strange statement at Fanfest 2012 which violated the EULA.
  5. The Goons founded a news website earlier in 2012. It’s called themittani.com. Awesome name isn’t it? Well they tell us they took it, because it is something like a brand and has a lot of history. Well at least a strong history of metagaming, if you ask me. But can someone else combine anything good with the name TheMittani or Goons besides Goons, Test and their pets? Ok they destroyed BoB, but they turned into BoB reloaded ever since.
  6. They have recruited a ton of staff for themittani.com and try to become a main source of news about EVE.


So much about the facts.

With no representation at CSM7 Goons needed some other tool to influence the masses. What is better than the media to influence them?

SA has a vast pool of human resources. Vile Rat (rest in peace) was one example for it, employed by the US State Department. TheMittani himself is a lawyer. I’m sure there are some media professionals in SA too. So we have the critical mass to plan and execute a well-planned media offensive to gain/maintain influence.

The site was in bad need of freelancer writers and staff. Can’t tell how they convinced the guys but they got them. So they got some viable and some less viable sources to generate a steady flow of articles.
Somewhere between that is the one or the other article of the Goons. Et voilà metagaming, half-truths, lies and propaganda of the Goons well surrounded by independent stuff.

Those Freelancers provided them with a nice cover and veil.

If you ask me themittani.com is something like Xinhua or Pravda.
If you ask the Goons all of the above is a conspiracy theory.

There are a lot of conspiracy theories around, which can be proved to be wrong. NASA and independent sources are able to deliver a ton of proves that humans were on the moon. The 9/11 commission delivered tons of proves that it was a terrorist attack.

What presented the Goons so far about their news site? A handful of Freelancers, who were convinced to work for them and a self-written statement about TheMittani being a brand these days.

Don't read there!
Don't work for them!


I am loathe to return to this thread because it's reached levels of stupidity that just hurt me, but as I look my notifications, there's a whole heap of replies to this thread. This one actually illicited laughter from me.

So lets get this straight.


  1. We're smarter than you
  2. We're more connected than you
  3. We're more organised than you
  4. We're running a thoroughly successful site
  5. We have a rainbow of Independent writers
  6. We garner over 1,000,000 hits a month
  7. We cover multiple games
  8. Our Sole purpose is just to further the cause of some Nullsec alliances
  9. We are trying to control your mind for our own schemes


I don't even need to say any more.

TMC Senior Developer http://themittani.com - Because EvE has needed a proper news site for ages
Miri Amatonur
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-12-24 14:07:57 UTC
Robus Muvila wrote:
(...)

I am loathe to return to this thread because it's reached levels of stupidity that just hurt me, but as I look my notifications, there's a whole heap of replies to this thread. This one actually illicited laughter from me.

So lets get this straight.


  1. We're smarter than you
  2. We're more connected than you
  3. We're more organised than you
  4. We're running a thoroughly successful site
  5. We have a rainbow of Independent writers
  6. We garner over 1,000,000 hits a month
  7. We cover multiple games
  8. Our Sole purpose is just to further the cause of some Nullsec alliances
  9. We are trying to control your mind for our own schemes


I don't even need to say any more.


Ahh welcome back. It's always good to have something to laugh about, isn't it. It's a delight for us that your returned with another set of statements.

1,000,000 million hits per month? That isn't that great if we take into account that your site features other games as well.
Your bitty independent writers are the ones who shall help you to establish the brand you claim to have in your self-written statement.

TheMittani is no brand outside of EVE and maybe SA(, yet).

You struggle to establish it within the game media scene.

Your independent writers are:
Quote:

Rule of acquisition #211:
Employees are rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them.
Source: http://www.sjtrek.com/trek/rules/


All you do is exploit them to reach your objective. And again the scope is wider than what you want us to believe Goon.

As long as you haven't reached that objective and even if you do one day. There is Goon propaganda about EVE nicely placed between the articles of your bitty independent writers.

Merry Christmas!


Don't read there!
Don't work for them!