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Missions, PvE, and CSM 8. Do you guys even care?

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Anslo
Scope Works
#1 - 2012-09-05 18:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
As mission runners, do you actively vote for CSM's when candidates campaign? Do you tell your non-forum counterparts to vote? Do you even care? I'm curious to know because, as CSM 8 is coming up, I see people screaming death to high sec and miners and just about no one on the other side shouting back.

Like...no one. No one to defend PvE, missioning, high sec life, high sec mining, etc. All I see are people like James315 and Tippia touting either risk v rewards rants or simple hate mongering against people like miners.

So, do you lot care much at all and try to get others involved?

If not well, I guess the others are right, and you all get what you deserve sadly; being walked on by the "l33t" crowd.

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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#2 - 2012-09-05 19:19:50 UTC
Anslo wrote:
As mission runners, do you actively vote for CSM's when candidates campaign? Do you tell your non-forum counterparts to vote? Do you even care? I'm curious to know because, as CSM 8 is coming up, I see people screaming death to high sec and miners and just about no one on the other side shouting back.

Like...no one. No one to defend PvE, missioning, high sec life, high sec mining, etc. All I see are people like James315 and Tippia touting either risk v rewards rants or simple hate mongering against people like miners.

So, do you lot care much at all and try to get others involved?

If not well, I guess the others are right, and you all get what you deserve sadly; being walked on by the "l33t" crowd.


I'm sorry is there something wrong with missions?

Seems to be easy solo ISK close to if not on par with other activities in eve when done correctly.

Mining just got buffed. I'm not a miner but I've nothing but rave reviews about the new Mackinaw.

High sec life is fine and dandy.

Not today spaghetti.

Anslo
Scope Works
#3 - 2012-09-05 19:21:30 UTC
Yes, it is. Would you like to keep it that way is my question. You've seen GD and gods know how many other threads regarding nerfing highsec. My question is if the actual nerfing of highsec has ever really gotten high sec people to want to vote to ensure their play style remains their play style and is not interfered with.

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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#4 - 2012-09-05 19:30:13 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Yes, it is. Would you like to keep it that way is my question. You've seen GD and gods know how many other threads regarding nerfing highsec. My question is if the actual nerfing of highsec has ever really gotten high sec people to want to vote to ensure their play style remains their play style and is not interfered with.


Oh gotcha.

I always figured a good portion of highsec were the 'married with children' crowd and not really into the CSM stuff or forums either for that matter. Nullsec/lowsec has been whining so long about being fixed I'm not sure many people listen to it anymore, I sure don't Blink

Not today spaghetti.

Anslo
Scope Works
#5 - 2012-09-05 19:33:13 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Yes, it is. Would you like to keep it that way is my question. You've seen GD and gods know how many other threads regarding nerfing highsec. My question is if the actual nerfing of highsec has ever really gotten high sec people to want to vote to ensure their play style remains their play style and is not interfered with.


Oh gotcha.

I always figured a good portion of highsec were the 'married with children' crowd and not really into the CSM stuff or forums either for that matter. Nullsec/lowsec has been whining so long about being fixed I'm not sure many people listen to it anymore, I sure don't Blink


The problem is they do. They scream eve is pure PvP, pure hardcore, etc, etc. They refuse to acknowledge that people should be able to play Eve casually. Instead, they go out of their way to, well, ruin the experience for them. I'm surprised no one has noticed the pure hate for high sec players. Hell, even after Mittani gate happened I doubt we'll see a lot more high sec people voting. I really wish that, even though they are more casual gamers, highsec players would vote, en masse.

Mittens always tauted his 10,058 votes, why can't high sec people do the same? Sad man..

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Dazarus Ataru
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-09-05 19:52:45 UTC
My take (full of opinions and what-not):

Though there's lots of chest-beating and verbal hatred spewed toward denizens of highsec, the actual threat feels pretty minimal. Sure, every once in a while something like Hulkageddon happens, but even then, it's usually pretty easy to avoid if you're willing to adapt a bit.

CSM is good for sanity-checking some of the stuff CCP proposes, but I don't really think they're a huge threat to highsec life, even if each and every one of them came out and said they wanted to see highsec flat-out removed. CCP is going to do what is best for CCP, and even though I'm sure they want to gently guide people out into the scarier parts of the universe, they wouldn't dare kill the viability of highsec life entirely, as that would drive away a significant income base.


tl;dr Adapt and carry on with whatever playstyle you prefer. Don't worry so much about who hates you.
Anslo
Scope Works
#7 - 2012-09-05 19:58:47 UTC
Dazarus Ataru wrote:
Though there's lots of chest-beating and verbal hatred spewed toward denizens of highsec, the actual threat feels pretty minimal. Sure, every once in a while something like Hulkageddon happens, but even then, it's usually pretty easy to avoid if you're willing to adapt a bit.


And what happens if it continues? What happens if CSM members keep pushing for events like that and continue to push for high sec nerfs and suddenly, those threats become tangible? I'm not whining or asking for high sec to be made safer, I'm more concerned with the status quo and the CSM having a representative that has lived in low/nul, resides in high and has a balanced view of the game (pro for PvP AND PvE), sees the relationship is needed between the two, and adds to the CSM.

Dazarus Ataru wrote:
CSM is good for sanity-checking some of the stuff CCP proposes, but I don't really think they're a huge threat to highsec life, even if each and every one of them came out and said they wanted to see highsec flat-out removed. CCP is going to do what is best for CCP, and even though I'm sure they want to gently guide people out into the scarier parts of the universe, they wouldn't dare kill the viability of highsec life entirely, as that would drive away a significant income base.


I'm sure nothing DRAMATIC like high sec removal would happen. As I said, I'm concerned more with the slow chipping at high sec and the containment of a virulent and unwarranted hatred towards high sec players, despite economic ramifications CCP may endure going anti-highsec. I'm not saying they would, but then again a vote here and there for a highsec person wouldn't hurt.


Dazarus Ataru wrote:
tl;dr Adapt and carry on with whatever playstyle you prefer. Don't worry so much about who hates you.


I wouldn't worry about the hatred if it did not have the potential threat to the playstyles of highsec casuals.

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Dazarus Ataru
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-09-05 20:12:01 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Dazarus Ataru wrote:
Though there's lots of chest-beating and verbal hatred spewed toward denizens of highsec, the actual threat feels pretty minimal. Sure, every once in a while something like Hulkageddon happens, but even then, it's usually pretty easy to avoid if you're willing to adapt a bit.


And what happens if it continues? What happens if CSM members keep pushing for events like that and continue to push for high sec nerfs and suddenly, those threats become tangible?


Then the game will become boring and tedious for me and I will vote with my wallet and go find something else to play. Many others will probably do the same. In numbers, that's going to be a much more effective message than any CSM member could deliver.

Would it be nice to have a highsec representative on the CSM? Sure, I guess. Problem is, there aren't a lot of highsec players widely enough known to garner the support needed.
Anslo
Scope Works
#9 - 2012-09-05 20:15:41 UTC
Dazarus Ataru wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Dazarus Ataru wrote:
Though there's lots of chest-beating and verbal hatred spewed toward denizens of highsec, the actual threat feels pretty minimal. Sure, every once in a while something like Hulkageddon happens, but even then, it's usually pretty easy to avoid if you're willing to adapt a bit.


And what happens if it continues? What happens if CSM members keep pushing for events like that and continue to push for high sec nerfs and suddenly, those threats become tangible?


Then the game will become boring and tedious for me and I will vote with my wallet and go find something else to play. Many others will probably do the same. In numbers, that's going to be a much more effective message than any CSM member could deliver.

Would it be nice to have a highsec representative on the CSM? Sure, I guess. Problem is, there aren't a lot of highsec players widely enough known to garner the support needed.


Most politicians aren't widely known prior to election to major office. They run a campaign. If ONE high sec person was aggressive enough to speak out against nul/low full representation on the CSM, it would be enough. I like Eve, a lot. I've been on it since 2007. I'd rather people not need to vote with their wallet and simply leave.

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serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-09-05 20:17:04 UTC
ill run for csm
Anslo
Scope Works
#11 - 2012-09-05 20:19:02 UTC
serras bang wrote:
ill run for csm


lol, on what platform :P

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Calfis
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-09-05 20:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Calfis
Anslo wrote:

Most politicians aren't widely known prior to election to major office. They run a campaign. If ONE high sec person was aggressive enough to speak out against nul/low full representation on the CSM, it would be enough. I like Eve, a lot. I've been on it since 2007. I'd rather people not need to vote with their wallet and simply leave.


If highsec had any real organization to it then it would probably have a viable candidate, sadly most alliances in highsec don't do anything more than simply exist.
serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-09-05 20:23:38 UTC
Anslo wrote:
serras bang wrote:
ill run for csm


lol, on what platform :P


how you mean what platform ? what am i going to try pushing for in that if i can work out a decent plan to present ?
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-09-05 20:35:50 UTC
carebears dont need representation on CSM, CCP represents them directly.

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serras bang
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-09-05 20:42:45 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
carebears dont need representation on CSM, CCP represents them directly.


ah hi sec vocal representation may well give a fresh veiw and som ideas that null and low sec player might not have considerd before.
Dazarus Ataru
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-09-05 20:48:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Dazarus Ataru
Anslo wrote:
Most politicians aren't widely known prior to election to major office. They run a campaign. If ONE high sec person was aggressive enough to speak out against nul/low full representation on the CSM, it would be enough. I like Eve, a lot. I've been on it since 2007. I'd rather people not need to vote with their wallet and simply leave.


You're going to have a hard time rallying support for an unknown candidate no matter how well the campaign is run. Anyone who's played this game for a while has learned not to trust people they don't know. I'm not going to throw a vote at someone just because he spews rainbows and warm fuzzies.

I still just think you're overestimating the threat. The forum population is not an accurate representation of the whole of the game. (Edit: Nor, for that matter, is the CSM, and I'm pretty sure CCP knows that.)
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#17 - 2012-09-05 20:51:29 UTC
Anslo wrote:
I wouldn't worry about the hatred if it did not have the potential threat to the playstyles of highsec casuals.


Could you describe the nature of the threat you perceive? Because I'm having trouble imagining it.
Anslo
Scope Works
#18 - 2012-09-05 21:10:35 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I wouldn't worry about the hatred if it did not have the potential threat to the playstyles of highsec casuals.


Could you describe the nature of the threat you perceive? Because I'm having trouble imagining it.


In general just increased polarization between nul/low and high, pvp vs pve. It's gone from acceptance and occasional poking fun at to blatant hostility and hatred.

Like a poster before said, the forum is not by any means the majority of Eve opinion. It's a vocal minority spewing hate. I'm concerned that the trend of hate spewing will continue to spread and that vocal minority becomes a vocal majority after a year or two. Hell maybe it'll never happen and I'm worried for nothing. I hope it doesn't. I really do.

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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#19 - 2012-09-05 21:20:49 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Anslo wrote:
I wouldn't worry about the hatred if it did not have the potential threat to the playstyles of highsec casuals.


Could you describe the nature of the threat you perceive? Because I'm having trouble imagining it.


In general just increased polarization between nul/low and high, pvp vs pve. It's gone from acceptance and occasional poking fun at to blatant hostility and hatred.

Like a poster before said, the forum is not by any means the majority of Eve opinion. It's a vocal minority spewing hate. I'm concerned that the trend of hate spewing will continue to spread and that vocal minority becomes a vocal majority after a year or two. Hell maybe it'll never happen and I'm worried for nothing. I hope it doesn't. I really do.


Actually, it doesn't seem as bad to me as it's been in the past. These things definitely go in waves.

But then I don't read GD. Ever. As a rule. But here and in Ships and Mods everyone seems to be getting along, possibly better than usual and definitely better than a few years ago.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-09-05 23:45:19 UTC
if highsec is removed this is what will happen:
1. a major shitstorm on the forums. think incarna debacle x3
2. 50-60% of eve players leave for greener pastures, including your humble servant
3. eve economy collapses and small corps slowly die out, leading to another exodus
4. ccp realizes their mistake and may or may not be able to keep the game running
5a. ccp goes bankrupt
5b. hisec is brought back into the game, and is slowly but surely repopulated until ~10 years from now, everything is back to the current state.

I should buy an Ishtar.

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