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Traits of a Good CSM

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-09-06 01:41:42 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Why do we need a CSM to relay what we think to CCP, isn't that what this section is intended for?

The basis behind the CSM is so that CCP has the ability to get to understand what players would like to see done as well as player feed back on what they are currently doing. As CCP does not wish to release its plans to the community and then have to respond to 50,000 whine threads about ideas they have come up with it is much easier to have a player representative council.

With the CSM trialling becoming involved earlier in the development process it has become clear that the more involved the player base is in the CSM, the better it will become for all the players of the game.

I don't buy it, CCP could communicate with their community directly like many other MMOs do by posting on the forum, releasing devblogs, and giving us access to early builds to test and provide feedback on through the test server.

They would not have to respond to 50,000 whine threads, just the ones they start.

Theirs another spaceship MMO called Vendetta Online that is known for having an excellent community in part BECAUSE the developers and the community actively communicate directly with each other. In fact if CCP went about it this way instead of holding popularity contests I, and I suspect many others, would feel that CCP is actually listening more to the community itself and not just a group of individuals elected by a majority vote apparently consisting of predominantly nullsec alliance alts.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#42 - 2012-09-06 01:44:22 UTC
The CSM wasnt started to be what it is. See my previous post lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-09-06 01:48:58 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
The CSM wasnt started to be what it is. See my previous post lol
Well if that's the case, and the CSM solution has been shown to be ineffective in that regard, than I guess theirs no need for a CSM.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#44 - 2012-09-06 01:51:42 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
The CSM wasnt started to be what it is. See my previous post lol
Well if that's the case, and the CSM solution has been shown to be ineffective in that regard, than I guess theirs no need for a CSM.


Pretty much...
It should have been rolled back as an idea once they came down off of their high and realized it was impossible in the first place

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Frying Doom
#45 - 2012-09-06 03:18:14 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Why do we need a CSM to relay what we think to CCP, isn't that what this section is intended for?

The basis behind the CSM is so that CCP has the ability to get to understand what players would like to see done as well as player feed back on what they are currently doing. As CCP does not wish to release its plans to the community and then have to respond to 50,000 whine threads about ideas they have come up with it is much easier to have a player representative council.

With the CSM trialling becoming involved earlier in the development process it has become clear that the more involved the player base is in the CSM, the better it will become for all the players of the game.

I don't buy it, CCP could communicate with their community directly like many other MMOs do by posting on the forum, releasing devblogs, and giving us access to early builds to test and provide feedback on through the test server.

They would not have to respond to 50,000 whine threads, just the ones they start.

Theirs another spaceship MMO called Vendetta Online that is known for having an excellent community in part BECAUSE the developers and the community actively communicate directly with each other. In fact if CCP went about it this way instead of holding popularity contests I, and I suspect many others, would feel that CCP is actually listening more to the community itself and not just a group of individuals elected by a majority vote apparently consisting of predominantly nullsec alliance alts.

In a game like vendetta online it seems to work, will admit their forums look awful but it was apparent right away the players were helping the game to grow rather than here were everyone is so interested in retaining what ever power they can that they would be happy to see the game suffer as long as they keep what they have or that their part of the game is getting improved.

I suppose what I am trying to say is that EvE forums are full of little bitches that love whining while Vendetta Online does not seem to be. So although the amount of contact they get with the Devs is amazing, we have seen enough examples of players in this game abusing Devs to make that contact less worth their while.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-09-06 04:19:33 UTC
A good CSM is

1. CFC controlled
2. Has a Mittani
3. Can willingly and gladly tell the general populace to eat **** if it's for the betterment of the game.
pussnheels
Viziam
#47 - 2012-09-06 04:41:48 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
A good candidate is one that doesn t run for candidacy
Aslong less than 20 % of the playerbase vote every election is afarce and very open to manipulation
Last time it was less than 17% if i remeber correctly
You really thinkCCP takes that serious it is just a PR tool and all candidates reason is just a free trip to iceland

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-09-06 05:06:11 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango should have wrote:
A good CSM is

1. Not controlled by the CFC in ANY way
2. Ensures that Alexander “The Mittani” Gianturco is never allowed to be in a position to get drunk and tell people to go troll another person into commiting suicide again
3. Can willingly and gladly tell the CFC to eat **** if it's for the betterment of the game.
There, I went ahead and fixed that for ya free of charge. Blink
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
#49 - 2012-09-06 05:21:47 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
RomeStar wrote:

See Title


Must remain civil, professional, and respectful at all times.

Must be able and willing to devote a significant amount of time to the task.

Should have very strong listening and communication skills with a focus on clear, direct, organized, and honest thought. Should have a strong tendency toward openness and communicating on a regular basis. Communication should be proactive and not reactive. Effective use of newsgroups, e-mail, printed publications, and the Web is a definite plus.

Must have an incredibly thick skin. Must not be prone to jumping to conclusions. Should assume the best in people unless conclusive evidence proves otherwise.

Can not only accept but actively encourages and rewards constructive criticism.

Must have strong organizational skills, be able to prioritize, schedule, and follow-up well.

Must be able to recruit, build, motivate, and maintain strong teams. Must be able to delegate effectively to such teams.

Must be willing to publicly acknowledge and learn from mistakes. Must be willing to acknowledge weaknesses in knowledge and close those gaps if needed.

Must be goal oriented and driven towards completing tasks. Must appropriately and diligently hold others accountable for doing the same.

Must have strong leadership characteristics including a passion for the organization’s mission. Must be able to forge a vision for the future of the organization and help shape a written, public strategic plan to realize that vision.



CSM and diapers should be changed frequently and all for the same reason.

James 315 for CSM!!

James 315 for CSM!!
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-09-06 05:29:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Abel Merkabah
The number one attribute a great CSM candidate must have is:



the name James315!

James315 for CSM 8!
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-09-06 06:03:39 UTC
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Frying Doom
#52 - 2012-09-06 10:29:46 UTC
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
Thread moved from GD to Jita Park Speakers Corner - ISD Type40.

Please stop littering in Jita Park, if you fail to comply we will have to send out the authorities to get youLol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Pipa Porto
#53 - 2012-09-06 10:33:33 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
A good candidate is one that doesn t run for candidacy
Aslong less than 20 % of the playerbase vote every election is afarce and very open to manipulation
Last time it was less than 17% if i remeber correctly
You really thinkCCP takes that serious it is just a PR tool and all candidates reason is just a free trip to iceland


100% of the players had the opportunity to vote. 100% of the players saw a login screen ad suggesting that they vote. 100% of the players received an e-mail asking them to vote. If 80% of the playerbase is too lazy to click a button, why should we care about their opinion?

There's no voter suppression going on here. There's just people who don't care not voting.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#54 - 2012-09-06 10:37:48 UTC
^ Oh Pipa you should definetly care even though I didn't vote in the CSM election.

(Man been waiting over half a year to be able to do that)

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Pipa Porto
#55 - 2012-09-06 10:43:48 UTC
rodyas wrote:
^ Oh Pipa you should definetly care even though I didn't vote in the CSM election.

(Man been waiting over half a year to be able to do that)


Do what? Write a run on sentence?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#56 - 2012-09-06 11:15:15 UTC
I don't have to wait a half year to write one of those I mostly meant it was fun hearing people during the last race talk about not being to whine about stuff if you didn't vote, I also wanted to troll them, hopefully more show up this race saying that should be entertaining of the highest degree.

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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#57 - 2012-09-06 13:55:45 UTC
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Frying Doom
#58 - 2012-09-06 14:58:25 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
A good candidate is one that doesn t run for candidacy
Aslong less than 20 % of the playerbase vote every election is afarce and very open to manipulation
Last time it was less than 17% if i remeber correctly
You really thinkCCP takes that serious it is just a PR tool and all candidates reason is just a free trip to iceland


100% of the players had the opportunity to vote. 100% of the players saw a login screen ad suggesting that they vote. 100% of the players received an e-mail asking them to vote. If 80% of the playerbase is too lazy to click a button, why should we care about their opinion?

There's no voter suppression going on here. There's just people who don't care not voting.

Umm I did not get the Email.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Pipa Porto
#59 - 2012-09-06 16:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Frying Doom wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
pussnheels wrote:
A good candidate is one that doesn t run for candidacy
Aslong less than 20 % of the playerbase vote every election is afarce and very open to manipulation
Last time it was less than 17% if i remeber correctly
You really thinkCCP takes that serious it is just a PR tool and all candidates reason is just a free trip to iceland


100% of the players had the opportunity to vote. 100% of the players saw a login screen ad suggesting that they vote. 100% of the players received an e-mail asking them to vote. If 80% of the playerbase is too lazy to click a button, why should we care about their opinion?

There's no voter suppression going on here. There's just people who don't care not voting.

Umm I did not get the Email.


EVE Online Newsletter, Volume 73, Feb 28, 2012.

Quote:
-= CSM 7 - VOTING STARTS MARCH 7TH =-

The candidacy period has closed for the 7th Council of Stellar Management and the list of nominations that have passed will be published at the end of the month. Voting will being March 7th. Below is the full CSM7 Calendar. Don't miss your chance to vote!

- February 29th - List of candidates who passed nomination stage published
- March 7th - Voting opens
- March 21st - Voting closes
- March 24th - Results announced during Fanfest keynote
- March 24th - CSM results dev blog
- April 4th - CSM 7 take office

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
#60 - 2012-09-06 18:58:41 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nope. The traits of a good CSM, just like any other elected official are:

The ability to get re-elected.


I've been elected three times without being part of a big power block. How many more times do I need to be re-elected to be a "good" CSM? Big smile

Issler