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Traits of a Good CSM

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#21 - 2012-09-05 18:32:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out the point of the CSM in the first place.
To thoroughly **** off everyone who didn't vote.


Serioulsy, I rofl'd at work. Brilliant.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#22 - 2012-09-05 18:33:57 UTC
Hmmm... What?

RomeStar wrote:
Must remain civil, professional, and respectful at all times.

Me...

Quote:
Must be able and willing to devote a significant amount of time to the task.

Me...

Quote:
Should have very strong listening and communication skills with a focus on clear, direct, organized, and honest thought. Should have a strong tendency toward openness and communicating on a regular basis. Communication should be proactive and not reactive. Effective use of newsgroups, e-mail, printed publications, and the Web is a definite plus.

Very me...

Quote:
Must have an incredibly thick skin. Must not be prone to jumping to conclusions. Should assume the best in people unless conclusive evidence proves otherwise.

Me too...

Quote:
Can not only accept but actively encourages and rewards constructive criticism.

Must have strong organizational skills, be able to prioritize, schedule, and follow-up well.

Must be able to recruit, build, motivate, and maintain strong teams. Must be able to delegate effectively to such teams.

Must be willing to publicly acknowledge and learn from mistakes. Must be willing to acknowledge weaknesses in knowledge and close those gaps if needed.

Must be goal oriented and driven towards completing tasks. Must appropriately and diligently hold others accountable for doing the same.

Must have strong leadership characteristics including a passion for the organization’s mission. Must be able to forge a vision for the future of the organization and help shape a written, public strategic plan to realize that vision.

Me, me, me, all me...

Were you thinking of me when you wrote this? Smile

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#23 - 2012-09-05 18:34:02 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out the point of the CSM in the first place.
To thoroughly **** off everyone who didn't vote.
Well if it's like that I guess I have no choice but to use the classical method for choosing.


That sir is un-eve like.

The EVE- way of choosing is to make a person CSM only if they can blob their opponents with 3 full 250 ship fleets with 1 single jabber ping....

....CSM7, working as intended.
Anslo
Scope Works
#24 - 2012-09-05 18:39:33 UTC
James 315 wrote:


Were you thinking of me when you wrote this? Smile


No, because none of them represent you.

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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#25 - 2012-09-05 18:50:12 UTC
Requirements for CSM is obviously a large alliance backing.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-09-05 19:11:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
I'm really trying to figure out a reason for this whole CSM thing aside from a popularity contest but I just can't, so for those who may complain about a low voter turn out and why people don't vote maybe it's because the whole idea of a CSM seems kind of pointless to many. Straight

Anyways shouldn't this topic be moved over here?
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Too-Boku
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-09-05 19:17:01 UTC
I would think the traits of a good CSM would be easily definable results.

Current CSM- please post your results and let the people judge. Not stuff you talked about, stuff that got done.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#28 - 2012-09-05 19:19:53 UTC
Too-Boku wrote:


Current CSM- please post your results and let the people judge. Not stuff you talked about, stuff that got done.


This could be the case if the CSM had the final say so in what actually gets done, however that honor is made by CCP alone. So really it's the stuff they TALKED about which should be of greater importance, since it shows what they are relaying to CCP.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Too-Boku
Doomheim
#29 - 2012-09-05 19:24:18 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Too-Boku wrote:


Current CSM- please post your results and let the people judge. Not stuff you talked about, stuff that got done.


This could be the case if the CSM had the final say so in what actually gets done, however that honor is made by CCP alone. So really it's the stuff they TALKED about which should be of greater importance, since it shows what they are relaying to CCP.


Well, if thats the case- Mittens CSM was Crucible, this CSM is Inferno and whatever comes out in winter, heh. Cool
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-09-05 19:26:09 UTC
Why do we need a CSM to relay what we think to CCP, isn't that what this section is intended for?
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#31 - 2012-09-05 19:27:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Too-Boku wrote:


Well, if thats the case- Mittens CSM was Crucible, this CSM is Inferno and whatever comes out in winter, heh. Cool


With that mindset, then we need to vote back in the CSM from Apocraphya. Though like I said what CCP wants is what CCP will do. CSM is only there to bounce pros and cons, and random ideas back to them.


Paul Oliver wrote:
Why do we need a CSM to relay what we think to CCP, isn't that what this section is intended for?


That area is the deathbed of ideas. There are probably 100s of random ideas posted daily, CSM works to limit ideas in a more controlled environment.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#32 - 2012-09-05 19:28:21 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Tippia wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
I'm still trying to figure out the point of the CSM in the first place.
To thoroughly **** off everyone who didn't vote.


I think the original point CSM was brought ino being by CCCP was for good media PR& damage control after a bad incident with BPO's being seeded by a CCP employee to that player characters' alliances benefit unfairly.
The last major media damagecontrol incident dependeing on who you ask was either the fanfest insident where CCP booted the chairman of the CSM of the current CSM7 after he resigned from CSM6's chairmanship or the Jita Riots last summer.




But basically to **** everyone off Big smile
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-09-05 19:31:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
DarthNefarius wrote:
I think the original point CSM was brought ino being by CCCP was for good PR& damage control after a bad incident with BPO's being seeded by a CCP employee to that player characters' alliances benefit unfairly.
The last major damagecontrol incident dependeing on who you ask was either the fanfest insident where CCP booted the chairman of the CSM of the current CSM7 after he resigned from CSM6's chairmanship or the Jita Riots last summer.
So basicly they're shills elected by a popularity contest to placate the EVE community whenever CCP screws up? Ugh
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#34 - 2012-09-05 19:32:59 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Paul Oliver wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
I think the original point CSM was brought ino being by CCCP was for good PR& damage control after a bad incident with BPO's being seeded by a CCP employee to that player characters' alliances benefit unfairly.
The last major damagecontrol incident dependeing on who you ask was either the fanfest insident where CCP booted the chairman of the CSM of the current CSM7 after he resigned from CSM6's chairmanship or the Jita Riots last summer.
So basicly they're shills elected by a popularity contest to placate the EVE community whenever CCP screws up? Ugh


YES Big smile I'd likemy more seemly shills to be up there but currently the below shill requirements :
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Requirements for CSM is obviously a large alliance backing.


Dominate
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#35 - 2012-09-05 19:33:49 UTC
They where created as a player watchdog group after T20. Ofc now they are just a marketing tool and PR.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#36 - 2012-09-05 19:57:56 UTC
tbh being on CSM should be an honor and privilege. Rewarding them for behaving shouldn't be necessary imo. If they behave badly they (hopefully) won't be reelected.

But yeah, I can see rules as to how to behave overall in terms of like not go rampage with racist comments or the likes. But if we're talking "they should not suicide anyone" that just won't fit imo.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#37 - 2012-09-05 20:09:42 UTC
Chribba for CSM8

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-09-05 20:32:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Anslo wrote:
Chribba for CSM8
After reading the things I have about Chribba, how long he's played, the things he's done and made for the community, how widely respected he is by members of the community from every playstyle, I'd vote for him in a second, even if it were just to be a stooge for the CCP PR department.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Frying Doom
#39 - 2012-09-06 00:24:03 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Why do we need a CSM to relay what we think to CCP, isn't that what this section is intended for?

The basis behind the CSM is so that CCP has the ability to get to understand what players would like to see done as well as player feed back on what they are currently doing. As CCP does not wish to release its plans to the community and then have to respond to 50,000 whine threads about ideas they have come up with it is much easier to have a player representative council.

With the CSM trialling becoming involved earlier in the development process it has become clear that the more involved the player base is in the CSM, the better it will become for all the players of the game.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#40 - 2012-09-06 01:40:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nope. The traits of a good CSM, just like any other elected official are:

The ability to get re-elected.


also; not to get drunk in public and get himself banned

The basis of the CSM was to go to Iceland and be a watchdog group so the T20 thing wuldnt happen again.
Then they realized that was ******** ansd impossible

so... this.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.