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True player voting.

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-09-27 19:51:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players.
Even the voting for the CSM is the minority vote not the majority.

IF CCP / CSM were truely interested in the opinions of the majority there should be an ingame voting system set up.
One that allows one vote per account that players must do just after they log in.

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My replie to some comments below
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You could also give people the option to disable voting if they are so inclined.

So you would have;
1 Yes
2 No
3 Abstain

And the option to no longer see voting.

THen people would have the option to ignore it or to play an active role.
You would definitely get a better feeling from your player base.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Foofad
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-09-27 19:53:44 UTC
Too easy to buy votes. Pay alliances to get all their members to vote for particular changes. Alliances with massive amounts of money buying plexes to fund voting accounts to sway votes a particular way. And so on. Never going to happen.
Kitty McKitty
In Praise Of Shadows
#3 - 2011-09-27 20:00:39 UTC
I hear forcing time limited votes on people is a great way not to annoy everyone.

If people are interested in eve politics then they can come to the forums and get involved. If not, leave them be.

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Rene Fullchest
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-09-27 20:05:18 UTC
While unadulterated popular voting always sounds ideal, in practice it never works out to be either unadulterated or ideal.

The OP's issues would remain relatively unchanged, if for no other reason that those who don't care about voting will either not do so (current situation) or, if forced, throw away their vote on something frivolous or not thought out.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2011-09-27 20:05:36 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players.
Doesn't particularly matter.
Are they a representative sample of the players?
Feligast
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-09-27 20:07:13 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
One that allows one vote per account that players must do just after they log in.


Forcing people to vote? What could possibly go wrong?
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-09-27 20:07:15 UTC
Well obviously this is not something you would every day some small items.

But when it comes down to items like the recent FIS or WIS, or something that that merits it then yes it should be done.
Otherwise there is no point in even voting.

As far as alliances being payed.
Well that is no different then it is now.

I just run into to many people on the server that don't read or bother with the forums because they are such a mess of trolls.

However if an issue is important and is going to effect the population.
CCP & CSM might have a easier time of it if the entire popluation did consent to vote.

IF anything this might prompt more people to visit the forums.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Cedar Locus
Fleet 2 die
#8 - 2011-09-27 20:15:32 UTC
Foofad wrote:
Too easy to buy votes. Pay alliances to get all their members to vote for particular changes. Alliances with massive amounts of money buying plexes to fund voting accounts to sway votes a particular way. And so on. Never going to happen.


they are creative enough but chose too make eve players free beta testers for a new (****** up) game
Arkahnov
Shiney Things
#9 - 2011-09-27 20:18:56 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players.
Doesn't particularly matter.
Are they a representative sample of the players?


i'd say it's safe to say, no... no they are not.
mkint
#10 - 2011-09-27 20:22:59 UTC
Quote:
True player voting...

...is done with the wallets and feet.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#11 - 2011-09-27 20:35:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starling
Simetraz wrote:
IF CCP / CSM were truely interested in the opinions of the majority there should be an ingame voting system set up.

Apparently they aren't.

Tippia wrote:
Simetraz wrote:
It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players.
Doesn't particularly matter.
Are they a representative sample of the players?

Very true. Considering the demographics from the forum posters a while ago they aren't.
CCP Zymurgist
C C P
C C P Alliance
#12 - 2011-09-27 20:38:04 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Zymurgist
Forcing everyone to vote is probably not the best idea.... We did give everyone plenty of reminders though. During the voting period we had 1, 2, 3, 4 different reminders on the login screen. It was just one click away from taking you to the voting website.

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-09-27 20:38:29 UTC
I'm with the OP on this one. No, not force them to vote, but at least give them the opportunity to opt in on future CSM votes and such.

If a non-forum-reader opts in, he could, for example, be sent an in-game email or link to a very quick run-down of what each CSM candidate is about.

I don't think the forum population (the vocal minority) represents the game population at all.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Blueburt
Doomheim
#14 - 2011-09-27 20:39:39 UTC
Foofad wrote:
Too easy to buy votes. Pay alliances to get all their members to vote for particular changes. Alliances with massive amounts of money buying plexes to fund voting accounts to sway votes a particular way. And so on. Never going to happen.


The difference from the CSM is?
mkint
#15 - 2011-09-27 20:45:36 UTC
CCP Zymurgist wrote:
Forcing everyone to vote is probably not the best idea.... We did give everyone plenty of reminders though. During the voting period we had 1, 2, 3, 4 different reminders on the login screen. It was just one click away from taking you to the voting website.

Ever read the help chat? People don't read anything, anywhere. They don't read news items, they don't read the forums, they don't read the popup screens saying "this will get you concorded." Ever run a corp/alliance? People don't read mails or other announcements either. Not sure how to get around it except by tricking them, except the OP's wanting to force people to vote is Dumb™.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-09-27 20:50:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
I will be honest here.

I rarely read the login screen as I more interested in typing in my password.
I don't know how many times I have logged into EVE after patch day and cussed myself out for not clicking the patch notes link.

YOu could simply give people the option to disable voting.

So you would have;
1 Yes
2 No
3 Abstain

And the option to no longer see voting.

THen people would have the option to ignore it or to play an active role.
You would definitely get a better feeling from your player base.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2011-09-27 20:51:10 UTC
Blueburt wrote:
Foofad wrote:
Too easy to buy votes. Pay alliances to get all their members to vote for particular changes. Alliances with massive amounts of money buying plexes to fund voting accounts to sway votes a particular way. And so on. Never going to happen.


The difference from the CSM is?


A bigger amount of "Ugh what is this, damn popups *click click*" votes that probably still won't make a difference to an organized voting effort.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-09-27 21:48:32 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
It is a well known fact the forums population is the minority of the players.
Even the voting for the CSM is the minority vote not the majority.

IF CCP / CSM were truely interested in the opinions of the majority there should be an ingame voting system set up.
One that allows one vote per account that players must do just after they log in.

=================================
My replie to some comments below
=================================

You could also give people the option to disable voting if they are so inclined.

So you would have;
1 Yes
2 No
3 Abstain

And the option to no longer see voting.

THen people would have the option to ignore it or to play an active role.
You would definitely get a better feeling from your player base.

You are unable to answer crowdsourcing questions without reading the details about actual items and spending some time to learn what they are. Prioritizing the items to some sort of actual order won't work with yes/no answers.

You can ask in login screen if someone wants free plex and 1000 aurums, but all difficult questions belong to forums.

Get classic forum style - custom videos to captains quarters screen

Play with the best - die like the rest
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#19 - 2011-09-27 22:08:16 UTC
The vast majority of the player population don't care about what some whiny gits on the forum have to say. They don't give a rats ass about the CSM. They really, really don't care about leaked emails and and the baby like crying that ensues.

This is what they care about.

Double click icon, game starts.

Period.

Mr Epeen Cool
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-09-27 22:42:20 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
The vast majority of the player population don't care about what some whiny gits on the forum have to say. They don't give a rats ass about the CSM. They really, really don't care about leaked emails and and the baby like crying that ensues.

This is what they care about.

Double click icon, game starts.

Period.

Mr Epeen Cool


most people have morons like u blocked Roll
congratz your the first failtroll to get blocked by me.
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