Player Features and Ideas Discussion

oh HHHEEELLLLLLLLLLLLL no.

You obviously didn't think things through or use the search function.

To the owner of this thread, I hate beating a dead horse but this one is just asking for it... NO! STFU! Play the game or buy another toon in the character Bazaar, then go lose expensive stuff with it in lowsec.

PS: When you redeem the PLEX to purchase your new character, make sure to do so in a random station far away from jita, then autopilot your way to jita in a shuttle so you can sell your plex and buy your toon using the newly acquired isk.

either he is trolling or not being jaded he does not know how how many aspects fo the game work. If a new player (i cba to e-stalk his char info) 14 billion isk sounds like alot of isk. To the multitude of bitter vets in the major alliance in titans and mommies....they had this isk laying around to say screw it, lets buy this. to those bitter vets who have not bought the big rigs, they may have this isk jsut sitting around most times, at least for the mommie anyway.

Sure as hell does not know hte 0.0 blobls wuold use this to crap out uber alts jsut like that. Dislodge the rich crews like goons or the russians with this in place....went from damn near impossible to forget about it. Tuesday they see they need 100 more BS after a battle, wednesday there they are all nice and dual boxing shiny.



OP...jsut do the grind. You get to where you need to be in time. And once there...you may find all those stepping stone ships you blew through will be the ships you like more later in life.

I know for me the" trash" frigates I left asap are now the ships I go to to make the game fun. If your goal is the uber BS to run in fleets....a good week or even month of almost pure pos bash will have you wishing for a BC or cruiser op to break up the living hell that is. Been there op.....also the reason why I am dragging ass on cap trains. POS rep ops don't get anymore exciting repping the pos than being the support fleet watching the carriers rep the pos. Either way....you are still there, watching a pos get repped. Dreads...its press f1 jsut likea bs. Stront powered siege mode not an omfg this is so much better change to me.

Isk only gets you so far in this game... you can have the highest skillpoints in game, with the most pimped out ship fittings, and you'll still die to a bloodthirsty gang the same as a two week old newb.....

The fact that you can purchase a character off another player is IRRELEVANT to the op's proposal...

No characters get skillpoints for isk.... all characters earns sp at potentially the same rate... in real time...

Okay, but it's still pay to win regardless how you paint it. there will always be characters for sale as long as there are people willing to fork out isk for them, saying they train at the same rate at everyone else is IRRELEVANT to the fact that you're still paying RL cash to get a WIN character.

if you don't like pay to win, then you should be protesting the character bazaar, and plex as a whole, because supporting either plex or character trading means you support pay to win by logic, or you're contradicting yourself.

So back to the op's suggestion if you support plex and character trading then you should not, by logic, have any argument against his suggestion, if you don't like pay to win then not only should you be against plex as a whole, but character trading as well, because supporting either plex or character trading would mean you'd be contradicting yourself.

By strict definition it isn't pay to win but then again neither is buying skill points. It's pay with cash. Nothing says that this will make you win. Usually it's actually the opposite as several people have pointed out.

Everything that you can currently buy with real money (or rather, plex) you can buy with isk.

You can't buy SP with isk at the moment. You shouldn't, therefore, be able to buy them with RL money (or plex).

Simples.

There are so many reasons to not allow buying SP with RL money or isk that it simply won't happen no matter how much you scream and whine. The reasons have been adequately documented in all the other "I want to not play the game because I'm rich and just want everything everywhere handed to me without effort" threads so I'm not going to reiterate here.

I believe you're mistaken. A generally accepted definition of pay to win is "Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying."

CCP don't allow you to buy better anything with cash. All they allow you to do is exchange RL money for plex. Plex have various uses, one of which is to sell them for isk so someone else gets to carry on playing whilst you get isk which you can use to only buy things you could have bought with isk you'd made in game.

Therefore you're skewing the definition of pay 2 win to suit your argument.




I say you can't buy SP because you can't. You can buy a toon with all that entails but you simply cannot buy skill points. Again, you're skewing the definition to suit your argument.




Yet again your skewing definitions to suit your argument. As I've explained already there is no pay to win system in EvE. CCP have been careful to avoid it, at least partially due to the players reaction when they merely thought it might happen.

Your sig says it all really. I'm sure you do neither agree nor disagree. You're just being contentious because you enjoy trolling people.

Kinda sorta(btw urban dictionary is not a great reference) the real definition would be something along the lines of the ability to acquire any benefit in game with the use of real world currency. Be it XP gains/boosts, items, items that boost abilitys, pre leveled toons or in eve's case pre trained toons, etc.

With that in mind you may want to rethink your view on the character bazaar because it is a p2w avenue it is just limited.

I personally do not see an issue with plex = sp if the amount of sp that is gained per plex is limited as well as the total amount of sp gained via plex being limited. Say something like 6 plex = 5 million sp head start package can only be purchased one time per toon/account.

That way it is limited to not breaking the game but instead giving a little head start bump to new players if they desire and the same package would be available to vets to provide a little sp bump if they so choose just rename it.

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