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PLEX Prices Runaway

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Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-09-04 13:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Guys, I made a post about PLEX prices going overboard a while back.
But I never imagined it'll go as planned.
However , its time to hold.

I think we are seriously starting to get on CCP nerves now , and if we don't stop the uncontrolled rise.
The market WILL crash.
Better to hold it at a price than see if plummet back to 340 mil.

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terzslave
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-09-04 13:52:07 UTC
Shouldn't you lay off the posts Ivy.......ya know, give ISD a break :)
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-09-04 13:52:50 UTC
I'm not sure 700m would be good for the economy. Even 540m will start to hurt in the long run.
JohnathanGalt
Northern Sky Industries
#4 - 2012-09-04 13:54:18 UTC
This is an odd combination of market manipulation combined with a speech by the coach before a game. It is pretty funny, but I like it in kind of an odd way. GL.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-09-04 13:58:09 UTC
Barakach wrote:
I'm not sure 700m would be good for the economy. Even 540m will start to hurt in the long run.


HELL with the economy , I am going Republican on this sheet

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Poultergoose4
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-09-04 14:02:40 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Barakach wrote:
I'm not sure 700m would be good for the economy. Even 540m will start to hurt in the long run.


HELL with the economy , I am going Republican on this sheet

If that's the case you'll lose then :D
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#7 - 2012-09-04 14:04:11 UTC
You keep pushing. If you post everything at 540m, I'll gladly help by selling all of mine to you for 520m.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-09-04 14:05:59 UTC
I can't find any sources, but I was under the impression that CCP frowns upon PLEX manipulation. ?? <--- question, not response
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-09-04 14:07:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
CorInaXeraL wrote:
You keep pushing. If you post everything at 540m, I'll gladly help by selling all of mine to you for 520m.

that will have to wait , the current average transaction price is at 500mil , fluctuating between 540 and 450 mil across New EDEN .
IT has to be a collaborative effort for this to work.


Barakach wrote:
I can't find any sources, but I was under the impression that CCP frowns upon PLEX manipulation. ?? <--- question, not response


well.. this IS EVE , the capitalist supreme....
No one said anything about forming cartels and collude to manipulate the market, look at Goonswarm and the burn Jita event .
They manipulated it and CCP didn't whine

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sodney
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2012-09-04 15:02:36 UTC
Barakach wrote:
I can't find any sources, but I was under the impression that CCP frowns upon PLEX manipulation. ?? <--- question, not response


was said on the fanfest irrc...was it crime watch beeing responsible for that?
SealteamXI
Z-Co.
#11 - 2012-09-04 15:05:09 UTC
With PLEX at 500M, more people are buying them now than they ever did at 300M. It's a market driven by demand, and that demand just goes up, and up and up. There's no need to try to manipulate things.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-04 15:09:12 UTC
SealteamXI wrote:
With PLEX at 500M, more people are buying them now than they ever did at 300M. It's a market driven by demand, and that demand just goes up, and up and up. There's no need to try to manipulate things.

doesn't hurt to give it a slight PUSH!
Twisted

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#13 - 2012-09-04 15:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
You don't seem to get how the PLEX market works.

PLEX supply drops and PLEX prices go up.

High PLEX prices result in the little lazy rich kids buying PLEX for real $$ and selling them to raise isk. The higher the price the more players sell PLEX.

As more PLEX are bought fort real $$ and sold on the market the supply goes up filling the demand.

Once the supply meets or exceeds the demand the price will crash.

500,000,000 isk seems to be about the point currently where players believe the cost in real $$ for a PLEX is worth while compared to the time in game required to make that much isk.

CCP helps to curb the inflation of PLEX by offering special PLEX sales reducing the real $$ investment.

If you had enough isk or enough like minded players you could try buying up all the available PLEX and reselling them at a higher price, But I would expect that to back fire.

What would happen is many players would Jump on the PLEX bandwagon with the high prices buying PLEX with real $$ to sell for isk. This influx of newly purchased PLEX would fill the inflated buy orders, and you would be stuck with a pile of PLEX you over paid for.

I for one would not hesitate to buy a 1/2 dozen PLEX or more to take advantage of the temporary high PLEX prices to inflate my coffers a bit. I could always buy them back after the price drops and use them for game time regaining my real $$ investment, while retaining the profit from the difference between sell price and buy back price.
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-09-04 15:29:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Bugsy VanHalen wrote:
You don't seem to get how the PLEX market works.

PLEX supply drops and PLEX prices go up.

High PLEX prices result in the little lazy rich kids buying PLEX for real $$ and selling them to raise isk. The higher the price the more players sell PLEX.

As more PLEX are bought an sold on the market the supply goes up filling the demand.

Once the supply meets or exceeds the demand the price will crash.

500,000,000 isk seems to be about the point currently where players believe the cost in real $$ for a PLEX is worth while compared to the time in game required to make that much isk.

CCP helps to curb the inflation of PLEX by offering special PLEX sales reducing the real $$ investment.

If you had enough isk or enough like minded players you could try buying up all the available PLEX and reselling them at a higher price, But I would expect that to back fire.

What would happen is many players would Jump on the PLEX bandwagon with the high prices buying PLEX with real $$ to sell for isk. This influx of newly purchased PLEX would fill the inflated buy orders, and you would be stuck with a pile of PLEX you over paid for.

I for one would not hesitate to buy a 1/2 dozen PLEX or more to take advantage of the temporary high PLEX prices to inflate my coffers a bit. I could always buy them back after the price drops and use them for game time regaining my real $$ spent while retaining the profit from the difference between sell price and buy back price.


Neither do you .
We are not pushing towards the equilibrium , we are increasing our profit.
The demand elasticity for PLEX is VERY inelastic.
Meaning the percentage change in quantity demanded is less than the percentage change in price, as when people make up their mind they don't want to pay real money for a game, they just won't.
So if we keep pushing it , with the price constant, the seller' will just keep on winning .
If we play our cards right , and tweak the price according to the player counts , producer's surplus keeps on going.
We keep on winning more!

ITS WIN-WIN!
I win once, and I win again
Twisted

The reason I make this thread is because I KNOW what would happen when CCP pushes a PLEX sale , it dips to oblivion.
BUT!
By colluding , we can stop the trend , and ride the tides to a sun set.
That would only work when everyone works together!and stop being an impatient myopic arse that can't wait 2 seconds . You reap what you sow.

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Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#15 - 2012-09-04 15:37:40 UTC
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Barakach wrote:
I'm not sure 700m would be good for the economy. Even 540m will start to hurt in the long run.


HELL with the economy , I am going Republican on this sheet


So you're admitting to being an idiot then?

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.

Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-09-04 15:40:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ivy Romanova
Virgil Travis wrote:
Ivy Romanova wrote:
Barakach wrote:
I'm not sure 700m would be good for the economy. Even 540m will start to hurt in the long run.


HELL with the economy , I am going Republican on this sheet


So you're admitting to being an idiot then?


NOPE!
I am admitting to be an capitalist supremacist s-hat that doesn't care about the well being of my fellow citizens and only care about do i get a bonus this year so I can buy 10 new Aston Martins .
And I don't feel a sense of guilt at all lolollool
and if you join me, we can fly to New Caldari to check out them fit stallions or birds if you are a man
EVERY DARN week

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#17 - 2012-09-04 16:49:27 UTC
PLEX seems to have a big IRRATIONAL martket componentto its price mosreso then everything except margin trade scam items
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Rengerel en Distel
#18 - 2012-09-04 16:52:16 UTC
You can set yours at 540M all you want. The 99% of the people that don't read this forum will cash out long before it gets to that point. It's the same reason all the miners can't just set mineral prices, there is always someone willing to take less.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Regent Castro
Manu Factura
#19 - 2012-09-04 17:22:04 UTC
Personally I think anyone who is anyone who is someone who refuses to pay with RL money for this game is more than likely to have at least a couple years supply of PLEX stashed away, at least for their main character(s). I know I do. You have to raise the prices to an unacceptable level then KEEP them there to destroy this stockpile and that will take many months if not years. Once the stockpiles are gone, PLEX can happily go up to billions and the end of EVE for anyone who doesn't pay with RL cash occurs. (assuming there really is as few people who would be willing to buy PLEX with cash to get ISK as I feel there is).
Ivy Romanova
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-09-04 17:28:29 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
You can set yours at 540M all you want. The 99% of the people that don't read this forum will cash out long before it gets to that point. It's the same reason all the miners can't just set mineral prices, there is always someone willing to take less.

Ahh the bad apples, you gotta love them.

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