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Lowsec Mining - A Failed Experiment
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#41 - 2012-10-09 17:37:53 UTC
The other downside to Jump Freighters is the cyno that every person in EvE can see. Do it often enough and someone will come looking for that supercap fleet they've been chasing for weeks and take their frustrations out on you. :p

Low Sec can be profitable, but you can't make your focus on any one thing and expect it to be a replacement for high sec. The trick is to diversify. PI and Reactions are profitable, and mining can be done, but it won't compare to high sec efficiency.

So if you are like me, study the vast array of low sec systems carefully. Apply your own filters to them, then go take a look. But don't just plan to mine asteroids, plan to do PI and moon mining.

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Matarella
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#42 - 2012-10-09 17:52:15 UTC
you are pretty ******** to jump a JF to anything outside of a dock range.

Or at a POS were you are 120% positive nobody will notice it untill the freighter moved inside the shield (6KM max if the cyno was lit right on the shield). That means the system with the cyno and any system next to it empty.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#43 - 2012-10-09 23:12:28 UTC
That isn't the point. The point is you can attract unwanted attention just by doing it.

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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#44 - 2012-10-10 13:57:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Bugsy VanHalen
Matarella wrote:
you are pretty ******** to jump a JF to anything outside of a dock range.

Or at a POS were you are 120% positive nobody will notice it untill the freighter moved inside the shield (6KM max if the cyno was lit right on the shield). That means the system with the cyno and any system next to it empty.


Yes, using the tactical overlay you can jump your JF into docking range of any station. The tricky part is getting it back to high sec.

As far as the cyno drawing attention. If you are using a safe spot, you wait until there is nobody in the system to lite it. If you are in a back water low sec with low activity that will not be a problem. If you use a disposable cyno ship on an alt with no implants who cares if the cyno ships gets popped. The key is to not lite the cyno until you are ready to jump, and jump immediately when it is lite. If done right your JF will have warped off before anyone who saw the cyno gets there.

Another option is to jump directly to a station or POS. It takes some practice to learn where to lite the cyno at each station. (SISI is a great place to practice). Jumping to a deathstar POS is tricky as if you lite the cyno to close you can bounce off the shield and end up hundreds of km away. Use the tactical overlay so that the 5km ring does not enter the shield. Also I believe you can still bump the JF into the POS shield if it lands 8-10k away.

I have also heard of using a offline small tower as a safe spot. you can light the cyno just over 5k from the tower while the shield is down. Jump in and raise the shield as soon as the JF lands. If you jump as soon as you lite it the shield will be up long before anyone has a chance to warp to the cyno.

Jump freighter logistics, although not easy, are very safe if you know what to do, when to do it, and what not to do.
Faxtarious
Kai-Zen inc.
#45 - 2012-10-10 20:45:37 UTC
That was a great read.
Thanks OP for the experiment.

Hope you can keep us uodated on your future endeavors.
BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
#46 - 2012-10-11 11:43:32 UTC
Very interesting read. Been thinking of purchasing a jump freighter for corporate use and the tips you supplied on here would make it much easier than I imagined! Big smile
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Lavitakus Bromier
WTF Bunnies
#47 - 2012-10-12 15:48:05 UTC
Don't low sec have the same ores as high sec or? Just in greater amounts on one riod?
If so wouldn't it be more profit mining say like pyrox or plaig there? You just need protection.
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-10-12 17:44:53 UTC
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
Don't low sec have the same ores as high sec or? Just in greater amounts on one riod?
If so wouldn't it be more profit mining say like pyrox or plaig there? You just need protection.


Different roids in null. The high ends like Arkonor, Bistot, Mercoxit, and Crokite only occur in nullsec. You do find low-ends in null like Veldspar etc., but in nothing like the concentrations you see in high sec space. This was a deliberate design decision by CCP to place the "higher value" ores in nullsec space to drive players out of high sec in search of higher profits. Ironically, so-called "low end" ores are now more valuable than any ore other than Arkonor on an ISK/m3 basis.
Lavitakus Bromier
WTF Bunnies
#49 - 2012-10-13 00:18:24 UTC
Hmm.. Then suggestion would be to make roids in null and low sec yeild more of the basic ores.
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#50 - 2012-10-14 16:23:01 UTC
Sounds to me like you need to invest in a jump freighter. I have sucessfully mined lowsec for jaspet on quite a few occasions and this is all made possible by a few jump freighter runs out of the far reaches of lowsec. I'm talking about areas of space where there are 3 jumps a day type places that dead end into nothing.

Now if I was a betting man I would say that you were 2 jumps into low sec at a dead end, that was at most 7 jumps from a trade hub, and your conclusion that it wasn't on a trade route was wrong. It was probably a dogleg system that people just check because of a possible ice belt?

If you want to do it successfully you have to get out there far enough that noone has a reason to be there. There are hundreds of lowsec areas like that. Try one of those.

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Idris Helion
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-10-14 17:09:01 UTC
Schalac wrote:
Sounds to me like you need to invest in a jump freighter. I have sucessfully mined lowsec for jaspet on quite a few occasions and this is all made possible by a few jump freighter runs out of the far reaches of lowsec. I'm talking about areas of space where there are 3 jumps a day type places that dead end into nothing.

Now if I was a betting man I would say that you were 2 jumps into low sec at a dead end, that was at most 7 jumps from a trade hub, and your conclusion that it wasn't on a trade route was wrong. It was probably a dogleg system that people just check because of a possible ice belt?

If you want to do it successfully you have to get out there far enough that noone has a reason to be there. There are hundreds of lowsec areas like that. Try one of those.


I thought about that, but really, if I'm going to go to all that trouble I might as well just go back out to null and do it right. It's pretty much the same amount of work either way, and nullsec is much easier to operate in than lowsec is. Even in NPC null.
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