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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2012-09-05 16:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
PeHD0M wrote:
Because:
1. pve fitted ship vs pvp fitted ship = you lose
2. 1 vs many = you lose
3. non combat ship vs combat ship = you lose
4. bad internet connection = you lose
5. not using meta gaming tricks = you lose

Also, if CCP will reduce the rewards in hi-sec then even less players will go to low-sec, because it will be harder for them to recover from the loss of the ship. P


1. Why are you attempting to do pvp in a pve ship?
2. Why don't you scout a gate before you jump in or burn back to the gate if there is a camp?
3. see 1
4. Why are others to blame for you having a bad connection?
5. idk what this means...

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#102 - 2012-09-05 16:51:58 UTC
MIrple wrote:
No a most player corps have a tax of 10% this is minamal at best and you get the added protection of never getting wardec. This 11% tax also only effects mission runners as market and mining people do not even see this. Tell me how it is fair to target one part of a NPC corp and not the rest. Also if you take your time and read what I put this goes against every corp in Hi not just NPC corps. But I guess then your arguement wouldnt hold up.


My point being that *one* of the things brought up in the original "11% NPC corp tax thread" was "it would help encourage people to move to low null, to get better iskies". I pointed out that it would just result in a multitude of small (> 10 player) holding corps for people to avoid it.

My point to *you* is that you can increase the taxes of hisec, but it very likely *wont* increase the attractiveness of *living* in low or null, because living in low/null is about much more than just *taxes*.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#103 - 2012-09-05 16:58:29 UTC
PeHD0M wrote:
Because:
1. pve fitted ship vs pvp fitted ship = you lose
2. 1 vs many = you lose
3. non combat ship vs combat ship = you lose
4. bad internet connection = you lose
5. not using meta gaming tricks = you lose

Also, if CCP will reduce the rewards in hi-sec then even less players will go to low-sec, because it will be harder for them to recover from the loss of the ship. P


I've PVEd in lowsec since noob days, when all I could fly was a meta-fitted Vexor. Sure, I lost two or three of those before I learnt the ropes, but still netted hundreds of times more than I lost. Consider the ships as expenses and use that little brain to calculate your risks. Does it make sense to fly ships more valuable than potential profit?

Survival is about avoiding engagements you can't win, not soloing gangs. Learn the mechanics,dscan and fit a cloak and you will be very hard to catch. It's doing stupid things and not paying attention to your surroundings that kills, not doing pve.

These days I spend more time in wspace, but when I go exploring in low or null I fly ships that have a scram fitted. What do you mean with pve fit? Some kind of cap stable fail fit? There are plenty of ships that can kill rats just as well as player ships.

.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-09-05 17:11:42 UTC
Industry in Losec Nul is just fine ..

It should be less efficient to reprocess in lo/nul than in highsec
It should cost more to build/research and manufacture there too.


Because of Infrastructure
Highsec has it
Nul doesn't.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#105 - 2012-09-05 17:22:34 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Industry in Losec Nul is just fine ..

It should be less efficient to reprocess in lo/nul than in highsec
It should cost more to build/research and manufacture there too.


Because of Infrastructure
Highsec has it
Nul doesn't.

As much as I detest the constant "nerf the everlovin' bejesus out of hi-sec" whines, your post is pants on head stupid. Think about "building what you want" in 0.0, then compare that to the fact that some *systems* in hi-sec have more production capacity than entire regions of null, and no way to improve that for null residents....

:psyduck:

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#106 - 2012-09-05 19:22:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rats
Rek Seven wrote:
Jaison Savrin wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:


If you mean no one is going to give them space for free yes you are correct. You need to do 1 of three things 1 Take space and hold on to it 2 rent space 3 make friends with another alliance and get space but you will have to show up to OPs and put your dues in to stay in said space. Null wants people I think your friends just want a null haven that is completly safe. I have moved to null and back 3 times because of losing space it is a part of the game.



Your point? I live in Null. Well aware. Doesn't stop people who are interested from running into road blocks. They liike PvE and mining. They would do fine in Null but as soon as someone finds out they'd rather shoot their own foot than take their skiff or Raven to a fleet. Well, no one is interested. As for renting... Yeah, that is a good deal. Roll Either way, I think there are things in Null that a lot of people would like to do but they aren't wanted because they aren't interested in PvP and holding Sov. If Null idiots weren't so aggressive and power hungry then they would be able to go to Null. As it is they're reasonably happy in High-Sec where they can do their own thing without much worry. I wonder just how many people live in High-Sec for those exact same reasons, hmmm.....


I didn't say that. Please fix your post.



By the way you said you weren't posting in here anymore, as you have decided to go back on that too (although I'm sure you will say you didn't) would you like to answer the questions you where asked and ignored when you flounced out of this thread in a huff Cry


Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#107 - 2012-09-05 19:34:55 UTC
Roime wrote:
Rats wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Rats wrote:


Hi sec doesn't need to be looked at till low and null are "fixed", what is it low and null are broken so hi sec should be to ?



I don't consider low sec or null sec to be broken, i consider high sec to be OP.

Please tell me what is "brocken" about low, null.



Access, Sovereignty etc, Killboard stats being more important than actually playing the game, greifers.. need I go on ....


Tal




Yes, yes you need to go on, and try to formulate at least a single reasonable argument.

Access to all systems in EVE happens via stargates or wormholes, and there are a lot of those. Low and wormholes have no sov.

Killboard bitches and griefers exist only in hisec.

This thread is once again full of ignorant hisec trolls, repeating the same canned arguments they've read somewhere, without even considering what they mean, ad nauseaum.

Like bots.



No, no I don't as my arguments are just some of the many that get talked to death in these forums so I dont feel the need to repeat "the same canned arguments they've read somewhere, without even considering what they mean, ad nauseaum."

As for your "Killboard bitches and griefers exist only in hisec" what fking universe are you in, cause it ain't this one.

So run along little one adults are trying to talk.


Tal



I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2012-09-05 19:38:23 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
PeHD0M wrote:
Because:
1. pve fitted ship vs pvp fitted ship = you lose
2. 1 vs many = you lose
3. non combat ship vs combat ship = you lose
4. bad internet connection = you lose
5. not using meta gaming tricks = you lose

Also, if CCP will reduce the rewards in hi-sec then even less players will go to low-sec, because it will be harder for them to recover from the loss of the ship. P


1. Why are you attempting to do pvp in a pve ship?
2. Why don't you scout a gate before you jump in or burn back to the gate if there is a camp? C
3. see 1
4. Why are others to blame for you having a bad connection?
5. idk what this means...



1 Because your taking part in PVE activities maybe ??
2 Doesnt always work and gates aren't the only place you can be out-numbered
3 See 1

4 and 5 you can have


Tal



I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#109 - 2012-09-05 19:46:59 UTC
Rats wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Jaison Savrin wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:


If you mean no one is going to give them space for free yes you are correct. You need to do 1 of three things 1 Take space and hold on to it 2 rent space 3 make friends with another alliance and get space but you will have to show up to OPs and put your dues in to stay in said space. Null wants people I think your friends just want a null haven that is completly safe. I have moved to null and back 3 times because of losing space it is a part of the game.



Your point? I live in Null. Well aware. Doesn't stop people who are interested from running into road blocks. They liike PvE and mining. They would do fine in Null but as soon as someone finds out they'd rather shoot their own foot than take their skiff or Raven to a fleet. Well, no one is interested. As for renting... Yeah, that is a good deal. Roll Either way, I think there are things in Null that a lot of people would like to do but they aren't wanted because they aren't interested in PvP and holding Sov. If Null idiots weren't so aggressive and power hungry then they would be able to go to Null. As it is they're reasonably happy in High-Sec where they can do their own thing without much worry. I wonder just how many people live in High-Sec for those exact same reasons, hmmm.....


I didn't say that. Please fix your post.



You keep making arguments then denying you made them ?? Funny that must be everyone else heh... By the way you said you weren't posting in here anymore, as you have decided to go back on that too (although I'm sure you will say you didn't) would you like to answer the questions you where asked and ignored when you flounced out of this thread in a huff Cry


Tal




Try reading the thread properly dude. The guy messed up his quote. Someone else made those comments, not me.

I came back to so which because someone liked my post and i wanted to see what it was.

I will answer any question you have. Please ask away...

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2012-09-05 19:50:52 UTC
Rats wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
PeHD0M wrote:
Because:
1. pve fitted ship vs pvp fitted ship = you lose
2. 1 vs many = you lose
3. non combat ship vs combat ship = you lose
4. bad internet connection = you lose
5. not using meta gaming tricks = you lose

Also, if CCP will reduce the rewards in hi-sec then even less players will go to low-sec, because it will be harder for them to recover from the loss of the ship. P


1. Why are you attempting to do pvp in a pve ship?
2. Why don't you scout a gate before you jump in or burn back to the gate if there is a camp? C
3. see 1
4. Why are others to blame for you having a bad connection?
5. idk what this means...



1 Because your taking part in PVE activities maybe ??
2 Doesnt always work and gates aren't the only place you can be out-numbered
3 See 1

4 and 5 you can have


Tal





He said: 1. pve fitted ship vs pvp fitted ship = you lose

I said: 1. Why are you attempting to do pvp in a pve ship?

and you come back with: Because your taking part in PVE activities maybe ??

what's wrong with you?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2012-09-05 19:51:07 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Rats wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Jaison Savrin wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:


If you mean no one is going to give them space for free yes you are correct. You need to do 1 of three things 1 Take space and hold on to it 2 rent space 3 make friends with another alliance and get space but you will have to show up to OPs and put your dues in to stay in said space. Null wants people I think your friends just want a null haven that is completly safe. I have moved to null and back 3 times because of losing space it is a part of the game.



Your point? I live in Null. Well aware. Doesn't stop people who are interested from running into road blocks. They liike PvE and mining. They would do fine in Null but as soon as someone finds out they'd rather shoot their own foot than take their skiff or Raven to a fleet. Well, no one is interested. As for renting... Yeah, that is a good deal. Roll Either way, I think there are things in Null that a lot of people would like to do but they aren't wanted because they aren't interested in PvP and holding Sov. If Null idiots weren't so aggressive and power hungry then they would be able to go to Null. As it is they're reasonably happy in High-Sec where they can do their own thing without much worry. I wonder just how many people live in High-Sec for those exact same reasons, hmmm.....


I didn't say that. Please fix your post.



You keep making arguments then denying you made them ?? Funny that must be everyone else heh... By the way you said you weren't posting in here anymore, as you have decided to go back on that too (although I'm sure you will say you didn't) would you like to answer the questions you where asked and ignored when you flounced out of this thread in a huff Cry


Tal




Try reading the thread properly dude. The guy messed up his quote. Someone else made those comments, not me.

I came back to so which because someone liked my post and i wanted to see what it was.

I will answer any question you have. Please ask away...



Probably the one that said you weren't posting in here any more P jk

You made this statement

"For people like you there is current the no choice. You are even too scared to try life out of high sec or you easily earn enough isk that there is no need for you to look elsewhere."

I asked how do you know what I am and what I've done to make such a statement. ?

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-09-05 19:55:04 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Rats wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
PeHD0M wrote:
Because:
1. pve fitted ship vs pvp fitted ship = you lose
2. 1 vs many = you lose
3. non combat ship vs combat ship = you lose
4. bad internet connection = you lose
5. not using meta gaming tricks = you lose

Also, if CCP will reduce the rewards in hi-sec then even less players will go to low-sec, because it will be harder for them to recover from the loss of the ship. P


1. Why are you attempting to do pvp in a pve ship?
2. Why don't you scout a gate before you jump in or burn back to the gate if there is a camp? C
3. see 1
4. Why are others to blame for you having a bad connection?
5. idk what this means...



1 Because your taking part in PVE activities maybe ??
2 Doesnt always work and gates aren't the only place you can be out-numbered
3 See 1

4 and 5 you can have


Tal





He said: 1. pve fitted ship vs pvp fitted ship = you lose

I said: 1. Why are you attempting to do pvp in a pve ship?

and you come back with: Because your taking part in PVE activities maybe ??

what's wrong with you?



He's taking part in a low sec mission in a PVE ship when he gets attacked by those in PVP ships. What's wrong with me, jeez take a look in the mirror pal.

Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2012-09-05 20:08:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
What i meant to say was:

"For people like you there is currently no choice. You are either too scared to try life out of high sec or you easily earn enough isk that there is no need for you to look elsewhere." Sorry if i don't proof read every post i make.

I was making a generalised comment about people that are arguing from your point of view. I don't know you personally and i don't care to.

Why don't you stop this petty back and fourth and read what people are saying in this thread and then come back with something constructive.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#114 - 2012-09-05 20:13:51 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
What i meant to say was:

For people like you there is currently no choice. You are either too scared to try life out of high sec or you easily earn enough isk that there is no need for you to look elsewhere.

"I was making a generalised comment about people that are arguing from your point of view. I don't know you personally and i don't care to." Sorry if i don't proof read every post i make.

Why don't you stop this petty back and fourth and read what people are saying in this thread and then come back with something constructive.


Like you, Roll



So you made a statement based in no fact, like the rest of your posts. mate again how about you listen to what others are saying and come back with constructive arguments rather than trolling everyone who doesn't agree with you.

Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Jaison Savrin
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#115 - 2012-09-05 20:15:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaison Savrin
MIrple wrote:

If you mean no one is going to give them space for free yes you are correct. You need to do 1 of three things 1 Take space and hold on to it 2 rent space 3 make friends with another alliance and get space but you will have to show up to OPs and put your dues in to stay in said space. Null wants people I think your friends just want a null haven that is completly safe. I have moved to null and back 3 times because of losing space it is a part of the game.



Your point? I live in Null. Well aware. Doesn't stop people who are interested from running into road blocks. They liike PvE and mining. They would do fine in Null but as soon as someone finds out they'd rather shoot their own foot than take their skiff or Raven to a fleet. Well, no one is interested. As for renting... Yeah, that is a good deal. Roll Either way, I think there are things in Null that a lot of people would like to do but they aren't wanted because they aren't interested in PvP and holding Sov. If Null idiots weren't so aggressive and power hungry then they would be able to go to Null. As it is they're reasonably happy in High-Sec where they can do their own thing without much worry. I wonder just how many people live in High-Sec for those exact same reasons, hmmm.....


Edit: Sorry about that. Attributed to the correct person now. Was early >.<
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2012-09-05 20:28:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Rats wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
What i meant to say was:

For people like you there is currently no choice. You are either too scared to try life out of high sec or you easily earn enough isk that there is no need for you to look elsewhere.

"I was making a generalised comment about people that are arguing from your point of view. I don't know you personally and i don't care to." Sorry if i don't proof read every post i make.

Why don't you stop this petty back and fourth and read what people are saying in this thread and then come back with something constructive.


Like you, Roll



So you made a statement based in no fact, like the rest of your posts. mate again how about you listen to what others are saying and come back with constructive arguments rather than trolling everyone who doesn't agree with you.

Tal




I never made any claim to have all the facts. I'm speaking from experience. what is your point? Did you create this thread just to argue with me or are you hoping to get something out of all this?

Please show me one constructive post you have made.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-09-05 22:28:24 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Industry in Losec Nul is just fine ..

It should be less efficient to reprocess in lo/nul than in highsec
It should cost more to build/research and manufacture there too.


Because of Infrastructure
Highsec has it
Nul doesn't.

All this concord protection costs money, so to offset having to protect people like you, a bare minimum of 10% of ore refinery output is taken as protection money. When it comes to manufacturing or research etc, hisec is inundated with administrators, and they take 10% of the manufacturing unit's value in administrative costs.

You don't want to pay all these bribes to the officials? Well, we have this space called lowsec, NPC nullsec and conquerable nullsec, where you can decide to be the ones dictating the bribes you receive.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Typherian
V.O.I.D.
Pandemic Legion
#118 - 2012-09-05 23:12:04 UTC
Right low does need some tweaking though FW is a great money maker as is. Also I don't care enough to read back to see who said it but the scaling damage gate guns won't "end gate camps" it will make them easier. Anyone that thinks that the "buff" to gate guns will do anything other than kill fights is frankly a moron.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-09-06 00:20:50 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
All this concord protection costs money, so to offset having to protect people like you, a bare minimum of 10% of ore refinery output is taken as protection money. When it comes to manufacturing or research etc, hisec is inundated with administrators, and they take 10% of the manufacturing unit's value in administrative costs.

And it's posts like this that make the case *for* the hi-sec'ers that all you want is to nerf hi-sec for no appreciable gain they can see, since none of those game mechanics are currently *in game*. It makes the case that you don't necessarily care if the game is made better, per se, as long as "choices" are limited for a group of people you don't (appear) to like...

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#120 - 2012-09-06 07:23:33 UTC
Rats wrote:
Roime wrote:
Rats wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Rats wrote:


Hi sec doesn't need to be looked at till low and null are "fixed", what is it low and null are broken so hi sec should be to ?



I don't consider low sec or null sec to be broken, i consider high sec to be OP.

Please tell me what is "brocken" about low, null.



Access, Sovereignty etc, Killboard stats being more important than actually playing the game, greifers.. need I go on ....


Tal




Yes, yes you need to go on, and try to formulate at least a single reasonable argument.

Access to all systems in EVE happens via stargates or wormholes, and there are a lot of those. Low and wormholes have no sov.

Killboard bitches and griefers exist only in hisec.

This thread is once again full of ignorant hisec trolls, repeating the same canned arguments they've read somewhere, without even considering what they mean, ad nauseaum.

Like bots.



No, no I don't as my arguments are just some of the many that get talked to death in these forums so I dont feel the need to repeat "the same canned arguments they've read somewhere, without even considering what they mean, ad nauseaum."

As for your "Killboard bitches and griefers exist only in hisec" what fking universe are you in, cause it ain't this one.

So run along little one adults are trying to talk.


Tal



So you hold on to those arguments, even when they have been proven wrong already?

I live in wormhole space and roam regularly in lowsec, and I don't see griefers of killboard whores, that's the game universe I play in.

You should really try to talk more, and bullshit less.



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