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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2012-09-04 12:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Tal, don't bother replying if you have nothing intelligent to say, just stick to calling people who don't agree with you "trolls".

To make it clear to anyone else, i want all parts of eve to be an amazing and fun experience but i currently think high sec holds the game back a little in that it instilled a aversion to risk and as evident in this thread, a scene of entitlement.

I agree with those that say low/null sec needs to be improved gameplay wise to attract people but it is not as simple as saying "they should fix it".

In the short term, i think the best way would be to slightly nerf high sec in the form of isk payouts so that more people would get out there and find better ways to make isk and in turn, discover new ways to play the game. Without such a change, i feel people will be content to stay running level 4's at 100 mil + per hour and afk mining all day, to a degree where they may even overlook the changes that CCP have already made or will be making (FW, Dust) in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jfFKSIqkvM

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-09-04 12:09:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Rats
Rek Seven wrote:
Tal, don't bother replying if you have nothing intelligent to say, just stick to calling people who don't agree with you "trolls".

To make it clear to anyone else, i want all parts of eve to be an amazing an fun experience but i currently thing high sec holds the game back a little in that it instilled a aversion to risk and as evident here, a scene of entitlement.

I agree with those that say low/null sec needs to be improved gameplay wise to attract people but it is not as simple as saying "they should fix it".

In the short term, i think the best way would be to slightly nerf high sec in the for of isk payouts so that more people would get out there and find better ways to make isk and in turn, discover new ways to play the game. Without such a change, i feel people will be content to stay running level 4's at 100 mil + per hour and afk mining all day, to a degree where they may even overlook the changes that CCP have already and will be making (FW, Dust)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jfFKSIqkvM



You came into this thread, flip flopped on your arguments, made claims you could not back up, then have the gall to accuse others of not having anything intelligent to say.

You completely ignore requests to back up your claims. You completely ignore counter arguments.

You got called a troll because you made claims you can't back up despite repeated requests. How do you know what I have done in game ? (again)

And nerfing hi sec isnt going to force ppl "to get out there", back to square one.

You sir are a hypocrite.

Tal

I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Josef Djugashvilis
#43 - 2012-09-04 12:12:52 UTC
100 mill isk per hour plus running level 4 missions.

I wish.

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Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-09-04 12:15:31 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
100 mill isk per hour plus running level 4 missions.

I wish.


Me to , unless hes running multiple accounts....

Tell you what missions need some love, or at least some new missions.

Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
TharOkha
0asis Group
#45 - 2012-09-04 12:28:58 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
i want all parts of eve to be an amazing and fun experience but i currently think high sec holds the game back a little in that it instilled a aversion to risk and as evident in this thread, a scene of entitlement.


Dude, how many times should we write that this is not just about isk. Nerf hisec as much as you can, there will be always people that just want to mine, that just want to shoot red NPC crosses with friends without any other player intervention, there will be always ppl that just sitting on station and do trade. Maybe they will never have shiny mothership or titan, but maybe they dont care. They enjoy their way of life, they dont want to fight. The unballance of players in hisec -low/null doesnt need to mean that there are more isk in hisec (even this statement is not true, ive made a great fortune in NPC null). Maybe it means that majority of players are peacefull.

Sorry but your posts (as many others) are nothing more just "they dont wana play this game as i play". No offense

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-09-04 12:41:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
I refuse the waste anymore time in this crappy thread going around in circles with this idiot Rats.

There was a similar thread (more about low sec than high) a while ago that some of you may wish to reply to: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1740910#post1740910


See you in space o/

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Rats
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2012-09-04 12:56:02 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
I refuse the waste anymore time in this crappy thread going around in circles with this idion Rats.

There was a similar thread (more about low sec than high) a while ago that some of you may wish to reply to: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1740910#post1740910


See you in space o/



Pathetic and if your going to call someone an idiot at least spell it right ffs.

Tal


I Fought the Law, and the Law Won... Talon Silverhawk
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-09-04 13:09:10 UTC
Thought the thread title said Buffalo
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-09-04 13:31:36 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
Thought the thread title said Buffalo

Ya, I was expecting something about a new Eve-related band named BuffLo Null. I hear they rock.

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MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#50 - 2012-09-04 15:27:35 UTC
What they coul do to make Low more attractive is make it so Hi sec stations have a built in tax on everything. Make it so you cant get perfect refine in empire make it so missions are taxed n empire make it so industry is taxed in empire. Then let Low have perfect refine with skills. You can stay in empire but concord is going to tax you for the amount of safety they provie.
Josef Djugashvilis
#51 - 2012-09-04 15:52:41 UTC
MIrple wrote:
What they coul do to make Low more attractive is make it so Hi sec stations have a built in tax on everything. Make it so you cant get perfect refine in empire make it so missions are taxed n empire make it so industry is taxed in empire. Then let Low have perfect refine with skills. You can stay in empire but concord is going to tax you for the amount of safety they provie.


Concord provides no safety, they deliver retribution.

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MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#52 - 2012-09-04 16:04:34 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
MIrple wrote:
What they coul do to make Low more attractive is make it so Hi sec stations have a built in tax on everything. Make it so you cant get perfect refine in empire make it so missions are taxed n empire make it so industry is taxed in empire. Then let Low have perfect refine with skills. You can stay in empire but concord is going to tax you for the amount of safety they provie.


Concord provides no safety, they deliver retribution.


The fact that they provide retribution is inferred safty if this was not the case then Hi sec would be the same as Low.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#53 - 2012-09-04 16:08:45 UTC
Rats wrote:
Dear CCP

Can you buff and lo and Null so we don't keep listening to them bleat about how hi sec needs to be nerfed Roll

Tal


You can buff low and null all you want, it doesn't make high sec any less of a themeparkish anti-sandbox abomination lol.
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
#54 - 2012-09-04 16:08:52 UTC
Gotta laugh, as someone whom has lived mostly in null, it is full of the biggest carebears in the game, kettle calling the pot black and all that. In reality the whole game needs serious balancing, sov mechanics is broken in null, Low sec is a joke and high sec needs to be tweaked maybe a little. The real problem is null, one entity controling half the map is major game imbalance, low sec is terrible and needs a huge buff, nevermind high sec and twisting players arms to go to null. Start addressing the real issues for a change. Maybe the cold in iceland has frozen some dev's thought processes?Shocked

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Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-09-04 16:21:50 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
100 mill isk per hour plus running level 4 missions.

I wish.


You don't blitz them for the LP?

What a nerd.
Jaison Savrin
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#56 - 2012-09-04 16:30:07 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
ISK shouldn't be the main reason for people wanting to move to low/null, they should want to go because there are worthwhile experiences associated with low/null.

However, at present people are able to earn a large amount of isk with very little effort and no real risk. This creates a massive deterrent to moving out of high sec.

I makes more scene to nerf the high sec economy than it does to buff low, null and wormhole space.



I know lots of people who want to move to Null eventually. Know why they stay in High-Sec? The people who already live in Null don't want them. Eve's paranoid power hungry culture is the biggest problem with Null. It has nothing to do with game mechanics.
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#57 - 2012-09-04 16:37:55 UTC
Jaison Savrin wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
ISK shouldn't be the main reason for people wanting to move to low/null, they should want to go because there are worthwhile experiences associated with low/null.

However, at present people are able to earn a large amount of isk with very little effort and no real risk. This creates a massive deterrent to moving out of high sec.

I makes more scene to nerf the high sec economy than it does to buff low, null and wormhole space.



I know lots of people who want to move to Null eventually. Know why they stay in High-Sec? The people who already live in Null don't want them. Eve's paranoid power hungry culture is the biggest problem with Null. It has nothing to do with game mechanics.


If you mean no one is going to give them space for free yes you are correct. You need to do 1 of three things 1 Take space and hold on to it 2 rent space 3 make friends with another alliance and get space but you will have to show up to OPs and put your dues in to stay in said space. Null wants people I think your friends just want a null haven that is completly safe. I have moved to null and back 3 times because of losing space it is a part of the game.
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#58 - 2012-09-04 16:38:48 UTC
James 315 wrote:

Right, because whiners from low and null are the problem in EVE. Roll


Right, because highsec miners are the problem in EVE. Roll

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Josef Djugashvilis
#59 - 2012-09-04 17:24:36 UTC
Jafit wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
100 mill isk per hour plus running level 4 missions.

I wish.


You don't blitz them for the LP?

What a nerd.


When you reah the age of 10 or so, you will no longer use such words as 'nerd'

Something for you to to look forward toSmile

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Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2012-09-04 17:46:34 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Jafit wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
100 mill isk per hour plus running level 4 missions.

I wish.


You don't blitz them for the LP?

What a nerd.


When you reah the age of 10 or so, you will no longer use such words as 'nerd'

Something for you to to look forward toSmile


Oh god, this guy.