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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#141 - 2012-09-09 14:55:27 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


What is it that is preventing you from taking advantage of this supposed imbalance in highsec? Thats right nothing..... Its not the perceived imbalance that bothers you so much, but more so you cant force people to play how YOU want them to play.

Its time to GTFU put on your big boy underoos and accept you cant always get what you want.

James315 operates in highsec, he has that miner program, don't you recall.

Sort of silly to say that when he's actively making use of CONCORD and NPC corps etc to keep himself safe while going about his activities with the miner community.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#142 - 2012-09-09 16:01:36 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
High sec definately has the lowest reward, but this is compenstated by the low risk. You can make a far amount of isk there if you are driven and spend lots of hours playing, but you have to be doing something special to reach the mega-rich status. I've always been confused by the low and null hatred of highsec players (and miners), i've always thought that people play eve for different reasons. Personally i think it comes down to the easyness of kills and potential loot of risk-free highsec killing, when compared to actually facing other pvp-players in combat. They perfer targets that don't shoot back.

Now i realise i'm going to get lots of disagreement here, but eve is NOT a PVP only game. If you like PVP, you go to low and null. If you like PVE, then you stay in highsec. This is the method in which eve can appeal to more players, as not everyone likes exploding ships. Sure, those PVP orentated people can go to empire and try to force their "pvp-only" opinion on any risk-free targets they can suicide gank, but that doesn't change that those players will continue to shun it.

I think that over time, the natural tendency for players to move from highsec has been worn away, and made alot more difficult, by these players. Lowsec is a wasteland, and null is full of blues. What incentive is there for these non-pvp players to move to these areas, when the increased rewards don't match up to the insanely increased risk?

Though the removal of high would be fun, ultimately it would harm eve. Highsec is the economic heart of eve, and removing the security would turn everything on its head, and likely result in alot of highsec players (the majority of eve) unsubbing. I'm sure lots of you would think thats a good thing, but it's not.


Well said sir.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#143 - 2012-09-09 16:03:36 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


What is it that is preventing you from taking advantage of this supposed imbalance in highsec? Thats right nothing..... Its not the perceived imbalance that bothers you so much, but more so you cant force people to play how YOU want them to play.

Its time to GTFU put on your big boy underoos and accept you cant always get what you want.


but why do you pubseccers wish to be exempt to this "risk/reward" concept while praising it all the same???

l0l

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#144 - 2012-09-09 16:04:47 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
High sec definately has the lowest reward, but this is compenstated by the low risk. You can make a far amount of isk there if you are driven and spend lots of hours playing, but you have to be doing something special to reach the mega-rich status.


okay guy feel free to give us a breakdown of reward levels across hisec, lowsec, nullsec and wormholes

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
HollyShocker 2inthestink
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#145 - 2012-09-13 14:02:21 UTC
Andski wrote:
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


What is it that is preventing you from taking advantage of this supposed imbalance in highsec? Thats right nothing..... Its not the perceived imbalance that bothers you so much, but more so you cant force people to play how YOU want them to play.

Its time to GTFU put on your big boy underoos and accept you cant always get what you want.


but why do you pubseccers wish to be exempt to this "risk/reward" concept while praising it all the same???

l0l


Pleae show me where I have asked to be exempt. Your just like every other troll warrior from every other MMO. Hi-sec is there no one is stoping you from using it, but because you may choose not to use it you and people like you want to come to the forums and cry about how unfair the risk/reward is. If people want to pay thier sub and play in hi-sec then I say let em. If people want to pay thier sub and play in low sec or 00 sec I say then let them.

No one forces you to play the way you do. You choose like others choose to stay in hi-sec. Crying because you dont like your choice and your free to change that choice is just plain STUPID.
Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2012-09-13 14:30:39 UTC
When Eve Online dies let me know. Cuz it's been "dying" now for how many years?

Yeah. Thought so.

Meanwhile, in the real word that is NOT Internet Spaceships....I have coffee. Trust me. It's important.

Bring your possibles.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#147 - 2012-09-13 16:58:20 UTC
Andski wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
High sec definately has the lowest reward, but this is compenstated by the low risk. You can make a far amount of isk there if you are driven and spend lots of hours playing, but you have to be doing something special to reach the mega-rich status.


okay guy feel free to give us a breakdown of reward levels across hisec, lowsec, nullsec and wormholes


all I see from this guy

http://www.memecenter.com/fun/115105/Stop-Liking-What-I-Dont-Like

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Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#148 - 2012-09-13 18:58:24 UTC
To alter a line from Tim Robbins, there isnt a war between nullsec dwellers and carebears anymore than there is a war between man and cockroaches. (I need a goon to come in and commend me in snarky fashion for comparing carebears to cockroaches)

Carebears dont want to fight and 9 times out of 10 will choose to not play or just take the beating and move on. To remove all security would just allow the developed nullseccers to eliminate the carebears. So what you are really asking for is for CCP to allow you to pound the carebears so you can swim in the tears.

I propose the alternative, that in the event the game ends, that CCP impose concorde control over all of new eden and suspend wardecs indefinitely. Then the galaxy could live happily ever after.
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#149 - 2012-09-13 19:03:07 UTC
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:
James 315 wrote:
I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment. Cool


What is it that is preventing you from taking advantage of this supposed imbalance in highsec? Thats right nothing..... Its not the perceived imbalance that bothers you so much, but more so you cant force people to play how YOU want them to play.

Its time to GTFU put on your big boy underoos and accept you cant always get what you want.



Amen to this.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#150 - 2012-09-13 19:49:27 UTC
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#151 - 2012-09-15 14:27:18 UTC
I always stop playing when summer starts and only restart when summer ends.

I have Sept. 23 circled on my calender, this helps with domestic peace efforts. Blink

Empire, the next new world order.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2012-09-15 16:32:12 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
eve is NOT a PVP only game.

Wrong on literally every level possible.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat