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Is there, or should there be, a common etiquette for EVE?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-09-03 23:02:06 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Overall I like the massive mixed bag of people in Eve

It's like mixed nuts, I'm an almond Big smile


You used to be better at trolling. Did you buy that character or something?


There was a time when the forums were much higher quality than the ISD controlled cesspool it has become. It isn't worthy of my best Cool

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-09-03 23:54:27 UTC
To every man, woman, and nerd complaining about how EVE "used to be" I dedicate this, enjoy. P
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#43 - 2012-09-06 15:08:34 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Hey James315,

How's about this as etiquette?

Stop slandering and hating on players whose playstyle you disagree with.

And stop producing ****-style propaganda on the internets.

If you're referring to MinerBumping, then I suggest you read it more. Perhaps you've formed your opinion of it based on someone else's propaganda? Blink

MinerBumping.com
Robert De'Arneth
#44 - 2012-09-06 15:12:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert De'Arneth
I have never been one to let words/insults effect me, and do not understand anyone who gets hurt by words or insults. That being said, I fall on the side of, do what you want, say what you want as long as you are willing to pay the price for those actions.

I'm a nerd, you can check my stats!! Skilling Int/Mem at 45 sp per minute is how I mack!     I'm like a lapdog, all bark no bite. 
Kari Juptris
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#45 - 2012-09-06 15:51:23 UTC
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Sorry, what?
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-09-06 15:59:19 UTC
In my short time playing, I found that it's just on the forums people act like idiots, the people I have met so far in the game seem to be quite friendly and willing to help, I've been invited to chat with over 10 people I met around space so far, all of which have decided they must tell me how to play and what to do, but I s'pose thats friendly if not a little self-righteous.

In EVE as in life, I treat people how I expect to be treated, and I would expect the same from them

I am after all playing a game here and if it's not fun for both myself and my opponent then theres no point.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#47 - 2012-09-06 22:45:12 UTC
Hiro Ceffoe wrote:
In my short time playing, I found that it's just on the forums people act like idiots, the people I have met so far in the game seem to be quite friendly and willing to help,

Which EVE Online have you been playing? Blink

MinerBumping.com
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-09-06 22:57:34 UTC
Hiro Ceffoe wrote:
In my short time playing, I found that it's just on the forums people act like idiots, the people I have met so far in the game seem to be quite friendly and willing to help, I've been invited to chat with over 10 people I met around space so far, all of which have decided they must tell me how to play and what to do, but I s'pose thats friendly if not a little self-righteous.

In EVE as in life, I treat people how I expect to be treated, and I would expect the same from them

I am after all playing a game here and if it's not fun for both myself and my opponent then theres no point.

You sir are the kind of player EVE needs, from one new player to another may we both enjoy this game for many years to come.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#49 - 2012-09-06 23:05:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyprus Black
James 315 wrote:
If you've been on the internet for awhile, you've probably heard of the term "netiquette". Forums, chatrooms, etc. have their own customs and codes of conduct. We know there are some standards in EVE, for example, rules against using in-game channels for racism. Some EVE organizations, such as GoonSwarm with its "cultural revolution", have sought to improve the atmosphere for female gamers by discouraging the use of sexist language. There are even some areas of space in which players agree not to use profanity in local.

What do you think? Is there an unspoken standard of behavior that most EVE players adhere to, or does it completely vary depending on where you are in the game? Do you think EVE players are more or less polite than those who play other games, such as FPSes? Are EVE players too uptight, or not courteous enough, in your experience?
-I've been on the internet since '98 and this is the first instance I've ever seen of the word "netiquette" ever.

-Forums, chatrooms, ect have codes of conduct because moderators force it upon their users. It's not a choice the users choose to employ.

-Again, codes of conduct are there because moderators force it to be there. Moderators do not tolerate racism in public channels. If it weren't for the hand of the moderator, the channels would run rampant with all sorts of offensive things.

-Goon "cultural revolution"? Really? Come on now.



Look, etiquette/code of conduct/civility and all that nonsense is only present on the internet when moderators enforce it by swinging the ban hammer. It is not something that develops naturally on the internet nor will it ever be. Most people on the internet have egos the size of planets, most especially EvE players.

There is no "unspoken standard of behavior" in EvE. Some players may try to create one, but it'll quickly get smashed by someone who thinks it's stupid or has something to gain by not abiding by it. EvE players are only civil to each other if there's something to gain from it or something to lose by not being civil. Nothing more.

You will NEVER get EvE players to abide by a set of standards, ethics, or etiquette unless you have the power to force it upon them (and even then....). That's not how social interactions on the internet work.

You might as well waffle on about if there is, or should there be, world peace because it's a good thing. It'll never happen because that's not how the world functions.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-09-06 23:43:11 UTC
James 315 wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Hey James315,

How's about this as etiquette?

Stop slandering and hating on players whose playstyle you disagree with.

And stop producing ****-style propaganda on the internets.

If you're referring to MinerBumping, then I suggest you read it more. Perhaps you've formed your opinion of it based on someone else's propaganda? Blink

Nope. Referring to your "manifesto" against miners and your hatred of hi sec in general. Don't know what your "minerbumping" read is about, but to be honest, after reading your manifesto I doubt I'm missing anything. I'm pretty sure it's just hate regurgitated in twenty different ways. Or as they say, same ****, just a different toilet.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
#51 - 2012-09-07 03:27:07 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
-I've been on the internet since '98 and this is the first instance I've ever seen of the word "netiquette" ever.


Seriously?

Netiquette

Webster's dictionary shows the first known use back in '82. The word has been in use forever (in internet years.)

Of course this explains why you come across as a tool in your post, you obviously don't understand how online communities develop their own behaviors. (I'll give a hint, its not due to a ban hammer.)

As well, here is an interesting link to possibly have some self reflection on: Eternal September
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#52 - 2012-09-15 16:41:12 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
I've been on the internet since '98 and this is the first instance I've ever seen of the word "netiquette" ever.

I'm surprised to hear that. I first encountered the term very soon after connecting to the internet. I suppose that's been to the benefit of those who interact with me, as I'm just as concerned with politeness online as offline. Smile

MinerBumping.com
Doc Severide
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-09-15 16:50:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Severide
James 315 wrote:
What do you think?

Glad you asked. I think you're as relevant as a butt pimple...

Mars Theran wrote:
Stuff....

I can only imagine the effort put into something no one will read...
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#54 - 2012-09-15 16:55:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
James 315 wrote:
Cyprus Black wrote:
I've been on the internet since '98 and this is the first instance I've ever seen of the word "netiquette" ever.

I'm surprised to hear that. I first encountered the term very soon after connecting to the internet. I suppose that's been to the benefit of those who interact with me, as I'm just as concerned with politeness online as offline. Smile
I remember hearing the word "netiquette" used on any number of old IRC and BBS systems back before the eternal September came, I think EFnet even had a channel called Netiquette.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
ian papabear
No Regard.
#55 - 2012-09-15 17:15:58 UTC  |  Edited by: ian papabear
In the end it doesnt matter. if you want to be that guy spams local, trolls, insults people, link porn and yadda yadda, go right ahead my friend: says a lot about your personal character. I guess to some people it is fun trying to ruin the overall player experience of others. I personally dont do any of the above as im a college student and I'm getting ready to join the police academy. You cant change anyone, you can only help them see the light ,

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#56 - 2012-09-15 17:30:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
ian papabear wrote:
I personally dont do any of the above as im a college student and I'm getting ready to join the police academy.
Thing is in EVE it's not really trolling, its just another form of PVP. Blink

And as for your feeling that you're somehow above a good troll because you're a college student and planning to enroll in the police academy, good luck with that. Pirate
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
ian papabear
No Regard.
#57 - 2012-09-15 17:37:05 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
ian papabear wrote:
I personally dont do any of the above as im a college student and I'm getting ready to join the police academy.
Thing is in EVE it's not really trolling, its just another form of PVP. Blink

And as for your feeling that you're somehow above a good troll because you're a college student and planning to enroll in the police academy, good luck with that. Pirate



to each his own. i see it as trolling, some see it as fun, etc.

I'm not above the troll itself , i dont think i am better than anyone else. However I am above the trolling action, i dont do it. And yeah the fact that I do will be a police officer in the future says a lot about me in my case I care about my future I dont need logs being pulled up during a background check showing me dropping the f bomb in local or linking obscene links and whatnot. Im not going to ruin my future over a game. I am there to pvp and have fun .

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-09-15 17:40:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
ian papabear wrote:
And yeah the fact that I do will be a police officer in the future says a lot about me in my case I care about my future I dont need logs being pulled up during a background check showing me dropping the f bomb in local or linking obscene links and whatnot. Im not going to ruin my future over a game. I am there to pvp and have fun .
Well if you call that fun, have fun. Ugh
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
ian papabear
No Regard.
#59 - 2012-09-15 17:42:39 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
ian papabear wrote:
And yeah the fact that I do will be a police officer in the future says a lot about me in my case I care about my future I dont need logs being pulled up during a background check showing me dropping the f bomb in local or linking obscene links and whatnot. Im not going to ruin my future over a game. I am there to pvp and have fun .
Well if you call that fun, have fun. Ugh


being a police officer? or staying away from what people call trolling?

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-09-15 17:45:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
ian papabear wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
ian papabear wrote:
And yeah the fact that I do will be a police officer in the future says a lot about me in my case I care about my future I dont need logs being pulled up during a background check showing me dropping the f bomb in local or linking obscene links and whatnot. Im not going to ruin my future over a game. I am there to pvp and have fun .
Well if you call that fun, have fun. Ugh


being a police officer? or staying away from what people call trolling?
Either or I guess, honestly I don't really have much respect for authoritarian types though so in the interest of avoiding another topic hijack I think we should just agree to disagree.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).