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New defense tactics for in coming changes in FW
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Bob TSlob
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#141 - 2012-09-06 16:57:58 UTC
Poison Ivvy wrote:
Yo guys we are totally Gall alts!!!



Confirming that we are DEFINATELY Gal alts. I still can't believe that hotdrop we faked when an entire Gal cap fleet was wiped out made ANYONE think we fought for the Cal Mil.

Also, BB, keep up the good work bro. I'm not sure why anyone in their right mind would willingly do what you do, but you do it AND get results. +1
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#142 - 2012-09-06 17:30:42 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Bob TSlob wrote:
Confirming that we are DEFINATELY Gal alts. I still can't believe that hotdrop we faked when an entire Gal cap fleet was wiped out made ANYONE think we fought for the Cal Mil.
Well done gentlemen. Mission accomplished. As Deen said, it's time to come home.

The complete collapse of the Caldari militia made the cost of this deception well worth the price. We were happy to contribute to the fund. Happy Endings can keep Rakapas as a bonus, and feel free to roflstomp Fweddit and re-occupy Ishomilken when you return to Gallente Militia.

Bolster, for your part you have exceeded all of our expectations. Your bonus payment for a job well done is waiting for you in Vlillirier. I hope you like lots of Navy Domis and Fed Navy Webs.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#143 - 2012-09-06 23:33:10 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
stuff


Thank god the hair is back!
Nahzgul
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#144 - 2012-09-06 23:57:35 UTC
This has been an interesting read Shocked
Nahzgul
DUST Expeditionary Team
Good Sax
#145 - 2012-09-07 00:02:09 UTC
Mitch Taylor wrote:
Nahzgul was in short shorts when he joined dark and only slightly longer ones when he left. FW was however just a twinkle in a devs eye ;)

just because your paranoid, doesn't mean there not after you ;)



I LOL'd in RL at this.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#146 - 2012-09-07 00:05:29 UTC
chatgris wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
stuff
Thank god the hair is back!

I will cut it off again if you return to game. JUSTK is going toe-to-toe with QCATS on the kbs right now.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#147 - 2012-09-07 03:42:57 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
X Gallentius wrote:
chatgris wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
stuff
Thank god the hair is back!

I will cut it off again if you return to game. JUSTK is going toe-to-toe with QCATS on the kbs right now.


Well, you can rest assured that I am OOG for at least two more weeks :( Even Nexx has overtaken my rank on BC (I was barely able to stay ahead when I was active).

But now that the gauntlet has been thrown, I'm looking forward to the challenge (if not your haircut) when I return! Raw kills, BC points, ISK destroyed will provide lots of metrics for fun competition and chest beating :)
Manji Lee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2012-09-07 05:25:24 UTC
Poison Ivvy wrote:
Yo guys we are totally Gall alts!!!

I´m just loling at Damars latest attempt to get some attention :)
May we have a long and fruitfull war, here in HE we are patient I hope I´ll break your year and half record time war so we can take special spot in all of Naery´s minds.

Now back to loling at all this drama that we could care less for :) We be here for the awesome pew epw and ty to Galls for never dissapointing HE in that aspect keep good fight coming!




And before I know it... You be Burn FW... :Lol
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#149 - 2012-09-07 06:55:43 UTC
Glad I don't get too involved in this ****.


I saw we were at war with another CalMil corp - but meh - just a few more turds in the sewer.

Let em waste their isk on dec fees.







https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Lady Katherine Devonshire
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#150 - 2012-09-07 07:41:16 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
with new rules you can stop clock just by being in side plex, so using max speed fitted T1 frigate is quite good, you orbit timer and defend, when enemy enters you take 150km orbit or more and avoid enemy.

Because enemy needs some ship that can tank and kill npc it is most unlikely that he will never catch you alone.

just wait that he leaves and return to timer.


This is so classic of the EvE playerbase: Out looking for new ways to break a game mechanic before it's even introduced.

How many times does this pattern repeat itself? CCP introduces something new and interesting. They have a plan for how it will work. Ten seconds later the playerbase find a way to game/exploit/break the new thing, with the general theme of removing all risk and getting ten times the ISK out of it than was ever originally intended. When CCP finally gets around to fixing the easily exploited mechanics the playerbase then all starts crying "Wah! You're taking away my freedom! Sandbox something sandbox!"

The reality is simple: CCP creates a sandbox, the players then use it for a litterbox and then wonder why their "freedom of choice" keeps getting taken away. A good rule for MMOs in general is "Don't make the Devs your enemy." Yet for the EvE playerbase, the Devs are apparently seen as some kind of boss monster that you have to defeat to get the best loot.

At this point I would not be surprised if CCP simply removed FW entirely, since it's obvious that not enough people have any intentions of using it responsibly.

When will we learn?

The sound of the Amarrian heart
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#151 - 2012-09-07 09:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Yuri Intaki
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
This is so classic of the EvE playerbase: Out looking for new ways to break a game mechanic before it's even introduced.


Why do you seem to want to lay blame Caldari here (correct me if i'm wrong)? After all, this tactic is viable already with current mechanics to make sure plexes dont re-enter circulation and it's done by gallente militia all the time.

Bad Messenger is merely stating the obvious of what will be done if there is even one "rogue trader" around who decides current mechanics dont suit hi,.
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#152 - 2012-09-07 10:10:38 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
This is so classic of the EvE playerbase: Out looking for new ways to break a game mechanic before it's even introduced.


Why do you seem to want to lay blame Caldari here (correct me if i'm wrong)? After all, this tactic is viable already with current mechanics to make sure plexes dont re-enter circulation and it's done by gallente militia all the time.

Bad Messenger is merely stating the obvious of what will be done if there is even one "rogue trader" around who decides current mechanics dont suit hi,.


He didn't mention Caldari.

You are corrected.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#153 - 2012-09-07 13:12:50 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:

This is so classic of the EvE playerbase: Out looking for new ways to break a game mechanic before it's even introduced.
...
When will we learn?

I think the point is to bring up how the mechanic will be exploited NOW, and in public, so CCP can adjust it before it goes live.
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch
#154 - 2012-09-07 14:27:18 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
I think the point is to bring up how the mechanic will be exploited NOW, and in public, so CCP can adjust it before it goes live.


"Working as intended, people are free to fly and/or cloak whereever they wish in space" = official CCP reply to previous petitions about gallentes using cloaky alts or link boosted mwd boats to stop plexes from despawning.

So grats, CCP is rewarding you with even easier ways to keep doing what you already do.
Pinky Feldman
Amarrian Vengeance
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#155 - 2012-09-07 14:52:39 UTC
BolsterBomb wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
BolsterBomb wrote:
Whenever something good is happening the same people start QQ and cause problems. Cal Mil seems 100% against any entity every growing large. No wonder Hidden Snake ignores the militia....


And I contributed to this thing exactly how? By attacking gallente held systems? Clearly I am evil genius whose goal is to always muck up things by getting people in bigger alliances/corps to wardec me Lol

Fairly impressive for a corp consisting about half a dozen crazy finns, couple of ethnic minorities (joke, not to be taken seriously) and Tosi's pet donkey....

So lets air the dirty laundry out properly if NAERY is behind every evil which happens here.

For some reason, you had issues with us having Amarr alts farming LP in gallente occupied systems despite this contributing or system flipping. Exactly how is this bad if we merely wanted to get some advantage for one timer Amarr lp dump? Happy Endings certainly had issues as was with the wardec against Emperor Throne Guards.

Hell, we even agreed to leave that constellation for them and NAERY kept alts out of the area out of diplomatic concerns but wardec followed anyway and that was significant reason why things are in the shitters. I can even copy/paste the appropriate evemail here.



I really dont care what happened. My point is someone in Cal Mil always gets pissy because "someone may be gathering a "leadership status" "When that happens they decide to throw a revolt no matter how well things are working.

Its like this...cal mil is broke...someone fixes it ...then

"no u spy! u are out for urself! u dont care about the little 2 man corp that cant contribute anything! *rage* "Why are you not making things easy and convenient for my 2 man corp!! *rage* " I know lets cause drama and eff everything up because we are FW and no one should lead FW *rage*.......

I guess achieving 5 LP dumps and T5 is too much for Cal Mil to take in.

Its just silly, you have bitter vets mad because they dont play a role in militia anymore (because they actively do not) and then 3itch until they destroy what actually was working. Its an amazing thing I have never seen anywhere else.

Usually if it aint broke dont fix it.....in Cal Mil its lets break it because being fixed means we arent "free"

Ridciulous...I know lets DDOS the spy's Ts3 (aka the militi ts3)

If someone wants to war dec another cal mil corp have at it. If they do it because they think your icon should have blue hair instead of green...its fine with me.

There are too many **** ant corps in militias that cant contribute anything and then simply 3itch. This thread is proof of that.

Get over it.


Not sure why organizing a Tier 5 push is any special feat. I'm not trying to bash you, but its really not something thats worth bragging about.

Also, this thread is really bad...apparently when CCP nerfed war decs and buffed FW, this subforum somehow became the new crime and punishment.

I don't understand this whole spy paranoia that pervades most militias. Who cares if you have a spai on comms or in your militia? Run your fleet from the lobby and just relax. What are they going to do? Let the enemy know your fleet comp? Egads! Are they going to infiltrate your alliance so they can let the the opposing militia when you plan to cash out so they can cash their alt's LP? Geebus, FW got Inferno and now everyone in Factional Warfare thinks what they're doing is even more crazy than nullsec.

The moar you cry the less you pee
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#156 - 2012-09-07 15:30:24 UTC
Lady Katherine Devonshire wrote:
Bad Messenger wrote:
with new rules you can stop clock just by being in side plex, so using max speed fitted T1 frigate is quite good, you orbit timer and defend, when enemy enters you take 150km orbit or more and avoid enemy.

Because enemy needs some ship that can tank and kill npc it is most unlikely that he will never catch you alone.

just wait that he leaves and return to timer.


This is so classic of the EvE playerbase: Out looking for new ways to break a game mechanic before it's even introduced.

How many times does this pattern repeat itself? CCP introduces something new and interesting. They have a plan for how it will work. Ten seconds later the playerbase find a way to game/exploit/break the new thing, with the general theme of removing all risk and getting ten times the ISK out of it than was ever originally intended. When CCP finally gets around to fixing the easily exploited mechanics the playerbase then all starts crying "Wah! You're taking away my freedom! Sandbox something sandbox!"

The reality is simple: CCP creates a sandbox, the players then use it for a litterbox and then wonder why their "freedom of choice" keeps getting taken away. A good rule for MMOs in general is "Don't make the Devs your enemy." Yet for the EvE playerbase, the Devs are apparently seen as some kind of boss monster that you have to defeat to get the best loot.

At this point I would not be surprised if CCP simply removed FW entirely, since it's obvious that not enough people have any intentions of using it responsibly.

When will we learn?


CCP is just trying to avoid players to exploit fact that npc will not spawn if there is enemy on plex, so made it so that timer does not run at all if there is enemy at plex.

They fix one exploit by creating bigger problem than original were.

CCP is just trying make too complex system for simple thing, NPC has never been the real problem and NPC will never be the solution.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#157 - 2012-09-07 15:53:24 UTC
Yuri Intaki wrote:
"Working as intended, people are free to fly and/or cloak whereever they wish in space" = official CCP reply to previous petitions about gallentes using cloaky alts or link boosted mwd boats to stop plexes from despawning.

So grats, CCP is rewarding you with even easier ways to keep doing what you already do.

Give me names. I'll have CCP chatgris kick them from militia.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#158 - 2012-09-07 16:38:08 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
X Gallentius wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
"Working as intended, people are free to fly and/or cloak whereever they wish in space" = official CCP reply to previous petitions about gallentes using cloaky alts or link boosted mwd boats to stop plexes from despawning.

So grats, CCP is rewarding you with even easier ways to keep doing what you already do.

Give me names. I'll have CCP chatgris kick them from militia.


Haven't you heard? CCP is biased for gallente, so no-one would get kicked. Even when they warned damar for exploiting, they rejected his public forum arguments that CCP was biased against caldari.
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#159 - 2012-09-07 16:49:58 UTC
chatgris wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Yuri Intaki wrote:
"Working as intended, people are free to fly and/or cloak whereever they wish in space" = official CCP reply to previous petitions about gallentes using cloaky alts or link boosted mwd boats to stop plexes from despawning.

So grats, CCP is rewarding you with even easier ways to keep doing what you already do.

Give me names. I'll have CCP chatgris kick them from militia.


Haven't you heard? CCP is biased for gallente, so no-one would get kicked. Even when they warned damar for exploiting, they rejected his public forum arguments that CCP was biased against caldari.


Sad thing about gallente militia is that no matter how much devs boost gallente , they still lose everytime :(
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#160 - 2012-09-07 16:53:54 UTC
chatgris wrote:
Haven't you heard? CCP is biased for gallente, so no-one would get kicked. Even when they warned damar for exploiting, they rejected his public forum arguments that CCP was biased against caldari.

I'll talk to Hans then. He'll get it done.