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Another reason why new players quit the game...

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Draze Vetlok
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-09-01 07:52:48 UTC
I think I have found another reason why new players quit the game.
Take this experience of mine (been playing a month).

I was saving to buy a Maller, when I noticed the Arbitrator was cheaper and has a very large drone bay. So I read a guide about drones that told me about bandwidths, ranges, etc...

So I bought the Arbitrator, fitted out with Hammerhead 1 drones, beam laser, quad laser and salvager; and started up on level 2 missions.

My first mission took me up against a bunch of ships. I destroyed all but one, which turned out to be a cruiser (Moa type) with a love of missiles.

It matched speed away from me keeping me at 40km, and my drones could only go to 30km. Two choices, train and wait, or quit and do other missions.

I choose to quit and took other missions.

I then got a mission where I had to destroy more pirates. So off I go and destroy all but one frigate (Merlin type). This one frigate kept at 16km range and I could only hit it with my beam laser, while my 4 Hammerheads kept flying around it doing nowt.

I got on the help channel and was told to use light scout.

So I go back to base, grab some light scout drones (acolytes and hobgoblins), and after a drawn out boring battle, destroy it.

I now have a mixture of medium and light drones in my hanger.

I take another mission, whereby I activate a warp gate and appear in the middle of a disco...no, not a disco, those are a hell of a lot of lasers...on me...I warp out and away from about 7 ships which have torn down to my hull in seconds.

I quit that mission and I go buy 1600mm, boosting my armour from around 1800 to 6000. I have to lose the beam laser as a result.

I then take another mission...hey it's exactly like the one against the Merlin. I destroy all the other ships with ease, except now I don't have a beam laser, but that's okay I have 4 drones on it....hmm, except after 4 minutes they've only just got half its shields down...well, hopefully when the shields are down they'll tear through it...except suddenly the enemy frigates start regenerating and in no time its back to full shield strength.

In disgust I fly back to base, where I could re-quip, but instead quit the mission...then decide to write this...

Looking back I wish I had bought the Maller...

Also I can't help but want to state the obvious...CCP - is this your idea of fun?
Frying Doom
#2 - 2012-09-01 07:56:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Might I suggest doing some more level 1 missions while you get your skills up higher?

Edit: Also not having done the new tutorial missions, I must ask, what are they like?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#3 - 2012-09-01 07:57:00 UTC
Did you forget to equip an afterburner/MWD?

That's seriously important.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-09-01 07:57:12 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Might I suggest doing some more level 1 missions while you get your skills up higher?


This

Just sounds like you need better skills and to maybe think about better fittings.

James315 for CSM 8!

Draze Vetlok
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-09-01 07:57:14 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Might I suggest doing some more level 1 missions while you get your skills up higher?


No challenge in level 1 missions...I would have thought that wouldn't have needed pointing out...
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#6 - 2012-09-01 07:58:37 UTC
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Might I suggest doing some more level 1 missions while you get your skills up higher?


No challenge in level 1 missions...I would have thought that wouldn't have needed pointing out...


If you want a challenge, stop looking for it in PvE.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#7 - 2012-09-01 07:58:50 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Hmm looks like you are VERY early in the game. At first there are not alot of helpfull tips & you do have to figure it out for yourself. Yes in the beginning Eve does throw you in the deep end without a life preserver & its sink or float. I hope you stick it out & tread water because in 2-4 months you'll be swimming laps Smile
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Draze Vetlok
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-09-01 07:59:09 UTC
Here is the entire problem...two people have already jumped on and waved the finger at me...

The idea of having a drone carrier, making it armoured and sitting back while drones fight is plausible in theory...if I hadn't chosen that path I would have the Maller by now, and not have experienced this...
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#9 - 2012-09-01 08:00:09 UTC
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Might I suggest doing some more level 1 missions while you get your skills up higher?


No challenge in level 1 missions...I would have thought that wouldn't have needed pointing out...


Well, it is good to see you challenging yourself.

Think about what would be helpful. Maybe a stasis webifier, target painter, afterburner, microwarpdrive? Those can all help against frigates and other targets that outrun you.
Zera Kerrigan
The 420th Token
#10 - 2012-09-01 08:00:42 UTC
Find a nice corporation.

That's the best advice I can ever give.
Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#11 - 2012-09-01 08:02:40 UTC
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Here is the entire problem...two people have already jumped on and waved the finger at me...

The idea of having a drone carrier, making it armoured and sitting back while drones fight is plausible in theory...if I hadn't chosen that path I would have the Maller by now, and not have experienced this...


Also, another thing is that you shouldn't buy a ship that you can't afford to replace.

Which appears to be what you did.

Also, I'd reconsider getting a Maller.
Draze Vetlok
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-09-01 08:03:21 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Might I suggest doing some more level 1 missions while you get your skills up higher?


No challenge in level 1 missions...I would have thought that wouldn't have needed pointing out...


Well, it is good to see you challenging yourself.

Think about what would be helpful. Maybe a stasis webifier, target painter, afterburner, microwarpdrive? Those can all help against frigates and other targets that outrun you.


Oh dear, I think I see why this game has a small core player group that never really expands the way CCP would probably like.

I did have a webifier, but the range was 10k...my ship speed is only 189...and the idea...as stated earlier, was to have the drones fight...
Draze Vetlok
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-09-01 08:04:36 UTC
Lilianna Star wrote:
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Here is the entire problem...two people have already jumped on and waved the finger at me...

The idea of having a drone carrier, making it armoured and sitting back while drones fight is plausible in theory...if I hadn't chosen that path I would have the Maller by now, and not have experienced this...


Also, another thing is that you shouldn't buy a ship that you can't afford to replace.

Which appears to be what you did.

Also, I'd reconsider getting a Maller.


Actually the arbitrator is easy to replace...could do it in a day.
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
#14 - 2012-09-01 08:04:39 UTC
The OP has never heard of a Drone Link Augmenter.... it would solve 90% of his problems.

Now with 100% less Troll.

Jett0
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-09-01 08:06:33 UTC
Not all ships will tackle missions equally as well. In your case, the Omen puts out more damage, but the Maller tanks like a rock.

A few other notes for you:

Price does not always correlate with effectiveness.
All ships are being rebalanced right now, starting with frigates.
Try to fit the exact same weapon in your high slots. It allows you to group them, and makes range management easier.
It's possible to solo every mission up to the level 4s, and even many 5s, but it's easier with a friend who can make up for your hull's particular weaknesses.
Finally, the big one: CCP's idea of fun is giving you a situation, and tools to deal with it. It's never balanced, fair, or even intuitive at times. Figuring it out, through research or experimentation, is all on you.

Occasionally plays sober

Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-09-01 08:06:42 UTC
Draze Vetlok wrote:
Here is the entire problem...two people have already jumped on and waved the finger at me...

The idea of having a drone carrier, making it armoured and sitting back while drones fight is plausible in theory...if I hadn't chosen that path I would have the Maller by now, and not have experienced this...


So sell your ship and buy a maller. Then focus on skills for that. I do not believe you will get a lot of sympathy over level 2 missions because they are so very easy themselves. It sounds like you are just impatient and need to properly train into your ship; it is not the game because there are thousands of players that have no problem with level 2 missions.

Advice, whine on forums less, L2P more.

James315 for CSM 8!

Lilianna Star
Vagrant Empress
#17 - 2012-09-01 08:09:15 UTC
Draze Vetlok wrote:
[quote=Lilianna Star]

Oh dear, I think I see why this game has a small core player group that never really expands the way CCP would probably like.

I did have a webifier, but the range was 10k...my ship speed is only 189...and the idea...as stated earlier, was to have the drones fight...


Wow, I'm only trying to help.

Instead of dwelling on mistakes, learn from them!

Also, the Arbitrator is actually the best T1 cruiser so you made a good buying decision. Just need to learn how to fly it and you're set.

The Maller is probably the worst.
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#18 - 2012-09-01 08:09:34 UTC  |  Edited by: John Ratcliffe
Hello there. I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark and ask if you're from the North of England? Blink

I've been playing since last Autumn on and off; it's a game with a steep learning curve for sure, but do persevere because it's worth it. I went down the Caldari missile route rather than turrets so have had an easier time of it, but there's plenty you can do:

1. You will find things difficult until your skills are higher. Try to get all of the important ones to at least Lvl 4 (Train Cynernetics to Lvl 4 and then buy the +5 Learning Implants to significantly speed up the rate at which you learn new skills).

2. Try to get the skills relating to your ship Class type to Lvl 5 (to make sure you're getting the most out of it). Do not be in a huge rush to leap to the next ship Class - get all of your support skills trained first, it's much easier to do that and you won't then be playing catch up.

3. Do browse the most recent PVE fittings on Battle Clinic and see how the highest rated fits are set up and perhaps copy those.

4. Most importantly though, make sure you read the Eve Survival mission guide before each mission and make sure you have the right resists fitted and your weapons are doing the right damage. The URL is: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports (save it as a bookmark in your in-game browser).

5. Have you got a spare High slot? If so, consider fitting a Drone Link, which will increase the range of your Drones.

Message me in game any time after 8 PM UK time and I'll be happy to give you whatever help I can.

Finally, understand that the majority of the Eve Community are a bunch of dicks. They really hate helping new players in any way. Don't get offended...

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

Jonni Favorite
Militant Industrialists LLC
Militant Consortium
#19 - 2012-09-01 08:10:33 UTC
conversely it's why so many of us stick it out. I feel your pain, been through it myself many times in the beginning, it's still challenging years later and pvp even more so. but I waited for Diablo 3 for years, for instance, and then breezed though it like a hero for a few days until it just got boring. it's the challenge that make a game interesting. hope you stick it out and try to work through it, Eve learning curve is harsh but the rewards are better than most games I've played.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#20 - 2012-09-01 08:12:47 UTC
The reason people enjoy this game is because it's hard. When you first start playing, you suck at the game. If you stick with it, you can get good but if you don't like it, you can play an easier MMO which holds your hand for you. If this game was like those other MMOs, I wouldn't even be playing it. I play this game because it encourages excellence and punishes laziness/stupidity.
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