Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i never said cloaking ruined game play, and i certainly havent supported the agent idea...i was just saying cloaky pvp removes risk and it would be nice to be able to find those players who use cloaking to completely avoid pvp, ESPECIALLY when its an indy/miner/ratter.



hit and runs attacks, cyno's or anything that leads to a scrap of some proportion is ok. but cloaking is also used as a 100% safety feature with no counter. As i imagine it, any method for detecting cloaked ships would only detect a presence if the target keeps mobile (which would just be like seeing them in local anyways) and/or could be used to get a warp in on ppl on those using their cloaks to avoid PvP or are taking their sweet time to strike.

The cloaky has no power over you except that which you give it.

Null sec lets you do whatever you want, with the understanding everyone else can too. In fact, consideration of the other guy's actions are your only limits.

You should always fit a tank in null, and be prepared for attack at all times.
If your alliance is so totally kick-butt that cloaked enemies can't even reach you, then you are already using teamwork for safety. Your individual effort may not be needed if others are covering it this well.

If you know you actually have a hostile in the same system, being able to pick and choose when a fight happens is a luxury you plan ahead and earn by effort.
Fitting a cloaked vessel, the genuine cloaking ones that warp cloaked, means you sacrificed some of your combat readiness for this.

Unless you plan on mining or ratting in one of these too, you have the advantage of being able to field a tougher combat vessel.
Mine in a tanked procurer. Rat in a PvP fit BC with buddies.
Give up on fits that focus on minimum effort with maximum return. That's an attitude for high sec, not null.

this is mostly true. but there arent stations in every system and they can be shot at.

I agree that afk cloakers are of little threat and that covert ships are less powerful than full on combat ships. i just think its too safe right now and would love to be able to hunt those who try to hide. i've said many times that even if ur docked in hi-sec i'd love to break down the door to ur captain quarters and mug u. Tho i appreciate how unpopular that would be lol.

anyways, i feel that a fair bit of repetition has been occurring here, so these will be my last words unless the subject moves on. :)

Increase cyno fitting requirements so much that it can't be fitted with cloaks?

Cause I really think it all boils down to the cyno drop, which is the real threat. I mean in w-space an AFK cloaker can only summon something that is mostly counterable by mortals.

The problem is local, really.

Since carebear filth can dock/pos up - giving them absolute safety - the second someone pops up in local, it only makes sense that a hostile can cloak to enable him to 'hide' and remain in system after the fact that the big free infallible intel tool that is local has told the world the second he entered.

Fix local.

I don't agree with this completely.

I think the degree of risk assessment's value is countered by the fact that hunting by PvP minded hostiles is also made much easier when they know at a glance that a non blue target is in system.
You cannot convince them you have left, obviously, since they see you still in local. The solo player is then handicapped by the hunter knowing they are unlikely to have fast responding backup since they are not in the system. Local doesn't let them bluff about friends nearby when they aren't listed.


This is a realistic attitude.

I salute you for not expecting hostile forces to leave as if they were on some ridiculous timer that limited their hunting. Now, if only we could point out to others this absence of limits works for everyone's benefit as well.

local be used both ways is all right and fair. You see if hostile is in local, hostiles can bug you just with their presence in local. Its kinda only back fire available.