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Why Ninja Salvaging should be considered an exploit
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Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#121 - 2012-09-02 02:12:44 UTC
One more thread will surely settle this issue once and for all.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#122 - 2012-09-02 04:52:39 UTC
Elinarien wrote:
Sometimes I don't mind people helping themselves to salvage. For example today i was doing Angel Extrav on my main and I just could not be bothered to think about going back in the noctis and picking over the wrecks. So when I was joined in the last room by a salvager I just abandoned all the wrecks and said he could help himself. Seems such a shame to let it all go to waste.

Is there a stage for missions where you're better off killing, turning in and grabbing another one rather than salvaging?

When my market alt starts grinding missions maybe I'll remember to abandon the wrecks...

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Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#123 - 2012-09-02 04:58:33 UTC
2 posts, 7 pages and the OP has pulled off a successful troll. You can all pack up and go home now.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Michael Orlais
Cornucopia Ltd.
#124 - 2012-09-02 06:07:32 UTC
MetalDev wrote:
Yes, they're annoying, yes they're carebears who prey on mission runners, and yes most of them are cowards and won't fight 1v1. These things we know.


Funny, I was under the impression that the mission runners were carebears. Shocked
KLizMaN
Stark Innovations
#125 - 2012-09-04 23:55:23 UTC
I've been playing eve for 9 years and have only been ninja salvaged once. I don't understand how people can be so stupid. I mean it really isn't a difficult thing to avoid. Tbh these threads actually make me want to start ninja salvaging....

KLizMaN
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2012-09-04 23:58:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabrina Solette
The most annoying thing is if you're in the middle of a fight and a ninja salvager turns up and starts to loot, you still have the aggro. Wouldn't it be great if the aggro switched to the newcomer.
Adalynne Rohks
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2012-09-05 01:16:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Adalynne Rohks
Sabrina Solette wrote:
The most annoying thing is if you're in the middle of a fight and a ninja salvager turns up and starts to loot, you still have the aggro. Wouldn't it be great if the aggro switched to the newcomer.


LoL.

LoL'ing isn't trolling, right...?

p.s. You can switch the aggro to the newcomer. Ever right click in space and try warping out? Ideally, while said ninja is close to a horde battleships/battlecruisers...?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#128 - 2012-09-05 01:23:47 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Is there a stage for missions where you're better off killing, turning in and grabbing another one rather than salvaging?
I'd say somewhere around the time when you're getting, oh, 25M ISK/h or so from bounties and LP alone. That would be roughly around the same time as you're flying a properly fitted mission ship (i.e. you're no longer in a T1-fitted BS or BC).
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2012-09-05 01:26:04 UTC
Adalynne Rohks wrote:
Sabrina Solette wrote:
The most annoying thing is if you're in the middle of a fight and a ninja salvager turns up and starts to loot, you still have the aggro. Wouldn't it be great if the aggro switched to the newcomer.


LoL.

LoL'ing isn't trolling, right...?

p.s. You can switch the aggro to the newcomer. Every right click in space and try warping out? Idealy, while said ninja is close to a horde battleships/battlecruisers...?



That one was a bit tongue in check, only happened to me once and all I did was tank the mobs whilst destroying the wreaks before the ninja got to them. But the point was that aggro remains on you regardless what else is there unless you leave the area.
Adalynne Rohks
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2012-09-05 01:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Adalynne Rohks
What rationale could there possibly be, for a change like that? The Angel Cartel suddenly doesn't mind that you blew up all their friends?

"OOOHH!!! There's a ninja, let's stop going after that guy with 8 large blasters pointed at us, and kill that little pest in his frig......!!!!!"

"He looks SUPER annoying!!!"

Smile
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2012-09-05 01:45:47 UTC
Adalynne Rohks wrote:
What rationale could there possibly be, for a change like that? The Angel Cartel suddenly doesn't mind that you blew up all their friends?

"OOOHH!!! There's a ninja, let's stop going after that guy with 8 large blasters pointed at us, and kill that little pest in his frig......!!!!!"

"He looks SUPER annoying!!!"

Smile



The aggro could be split, unless it's just one ship of course. Would make it more interesting also more interesting when it came to using drones.
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#132 - 2012-09-05 01:58:04 UTC
ninja salvage, lame yes, Exploit no
Idris Helion
Doomheim
#133 - 2012-09-05 03:44:02 UTC
Normally I'm the first to defend the carebear lifestyle against the epeen queens, but in this particular case I have to join the HTFU chorus. Salvaging is a bad use of your time if you're a mission-runner in most cases; it only becomes worth it if you have a corpie or alt following directly behind you in a Noctis, cleaning up the mess you leave behind. And even then, salvaging is still a waste until you get to level III missions. If there's some poor schlub out there who desperately needs the crappy loot you normally get from missions, I say: let him have it. He obviously needs it more than me. If I get an officer spawn who might have faction items I'll loot and salvage that wreck, but that's about it.

If I have time after running a mission, I'll abandon my wrecks just so someone else can have them if they want them. Same with dead rats in the belts. The stuff's going to go poof at downtime anyway.

As far as pointless d-baggery goes, can-flipping is way more irritating than ninja salvaging is.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#134 - 2012-09-05 04:26:19 UTC
Idris Helion wrote:
If I have time after running a mission, I'll abandon my wrecks just so someone else can have them if they want them. Same with dead rats in the belts. The stuff's going to go poof at downtime anyway.

In 2 hours they go poof anyway. Any salvaging newbie knows that Smile

At least they do in anoms.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Signal11th
#135 - 2012-09-06 11:29:47 UTC
Not this again, as CCP have mentioned more times than I care to remember "Salvage isn't yours until you salvage it.!

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#136 - 2012-09-06 11:37:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabrina Solette
Signal11th wrote:
Not this again, as CCP have mentioned more times than I care to remember "Salvage isn't yours until you salvage it.!




I think they'll always be confusion over this.

Problem being the wreak is made up of two parts the loot and salvage and the wreak has the ticker of the corp it belongs too, clearly shown.


Edit: Maybe it would have been better to have wreaks that had no loot, be shown blue with no corp attached to it.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#137 - 2012-09-06 11:39:34 UTC
Ninja Salvagers are Awesome.

Nuff Said.

FREEZE! Drop the LIKES AND WALK AWAY! - Currenly rebuilding gaming machine, I will Return.
McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc
#138 - 2012-09-06 12:24:03 UTC
James 315 wrote:
So you want to eliminate ninja salvagers' fun because you want more risk-free, effortless space money. Okay. Roll



ninjasalvagers money is also risk-free and even more efforless. bumping exhumers is also fun, im sure, but very risk free.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#139 - 2012-09-06 12:25:12 UTC
McBorsk wrote:
James 315 wrote:
So you want to eliminate ninja salvagers' fun because you want more risk-free, effortless space money. Okay. Roll

ninjasalvagers money is also risk-free and even more efforless. bumping exhumers is also fun, im sure, but very risk free.

Maybe you should get into it as well, since you're sure it's both fun and risk-free. Two wonderful things in EVE Online.

(Now with added NPC Corps)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#140 - 2012-09-06 12:37:39 UTC
When can i enroll with the Guristas so that i can shoot at all the hisec mission runners that continue to destroy peacful trading hubs and mining colonies?

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION