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Why Ninja Salvaging should be considered an exploit
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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2012-09-01 06:28:30 UTC
No.

Also, the biomass button is right next to your face when you log in. Might want to take a look at it.

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#82 - 2012-09-01 07:31:02 UTC
Meanwhile, back in real life, I have a milk crate in my car trunk that I stick my returnable bottles in. If a bum asks me for a handout I give him the bottles instead.

Salvage is EvE's answer to returnable bottles.

I'm sort of the anti-ninja looter. Unless I'm inside my own private mission bubble, I always click "abandon all nearby wrecks" when I go to leave. I feel no compulsion to deny the salvage community the right to play the game however they like, especially when the way they want to play does not involve doing anything overtly hostile to me. I'll take a harmless pest over a dangerous one any day.

So even if OP got his wish and salvaging became a crime, it wouldn't affect me at all. A screen of yellow wreck icons is an eyesore. Blue is much prettier. I say be polite and let the dumpster divers live in peace.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#83 - 2012-09-01 08:20:14 UTC  |  Edited by: John Ratcliffe
100% agree with OP. Loot ninjas are ******* scum bags who should be Concorded dry up the @rse. Why they can't just run their own missions is beyond me.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
Arrgthepirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#84 - 2012-09-01 10:21:56 UTC
Rat in 0.0 problem solved
Sola Mercury
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-09-01 10:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Sola Mercury
Op needs to learn what "exploid" means.

It is the use of game mechanics in a way the devs had not intended, leading to an undesired result.

Thus, there is no way , ninja salvaging could ever be considered to be an exploid.
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#86 - 2012-09-01 10:52:19 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
100% agree with OP. Loot ninjas are ******* scum bags who should be Concorded dry up the @rse. Why they can't just run their own missions is beyond me.


One reason is because it upsets you

Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims.
Nea Star
Scream and Ignite
#87 - 2012-09-01 10:56:32 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Why they can't just run their own missions is beyond me.


Because they don't have enough sp yet to do lvl 4's and find NS to be more lucrative than grinding low lvl missions? Also NS is way more fun.
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
#88 - 2012-09-01 11:47:22 UTC
in the 8 years I have played EVE, I have never had another player warp into my mission. either you take waaaaay to long to complete missions or you need to find a new agent in a less busy system.

That awkward moment at the Gentlemen's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money....
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#89 - 2012-09-01 11:57:37 UTC
Op:

Ignore the ninja and keep killing your stuff, let it take whatever he wants to get YOUR agression and come back with a dedicated PVP ship to kill you, yes this is the Elite pvp of eve, because they're risk averse and afraid of doing stuff in low/null, they prefer Concord protection to bully new players/mission runners and then complain because lvl4's are in high sec...
It's also thx to those dudes mining barges got buffed, it will probably be thx to then at some point high sec will become completely safe and then they will complain, once again, like jelly red haired kids you took candies away from them.

Why don't you just spot the trigger and kill it so they get caught by scram/web frigs and killed by rats? -I can assure you this is hilarious, then fraps it or screen shot it and post it in local each time you see it in or his corp. Lol

brb
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#90 - 2012-09-01 12:06:17 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Why they can't just run their own missions is beyond me.
For the same reason as why mission runners can't just build their own supercaps.
Frying Doom
#91 - 2012-09-01 12:21:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Why they can't just run their own missions is beyond me.
For the same reason as why mission runners can't just build their own supercaps.

Because the can't anchor a Capital ship Assembly array in Hi-sec?

Nope that doesn't work as an answer.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-09-01 12:23:51 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Tippia wrote:
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Why they can't just run their own missions is beyond me.
For the same reason as why mission runners can't just build their own supercaps.

Because the can't anchor a Capital ship Assembly array in Hi-sec?

Nope that doesn't work as an answer.


what?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#93 - 2012-09-01 12:24:46 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Op:

Ignore the ninja and keep killing your stuff, let it take whatever he wants to get YOUR agression and come back with a dedicated PVP ship to kill you, yes this is the Elite pvp of eve, because they're risk averse and afraid of doing stuff in low/null, they prefer Concord protection to bully new players/mission runners and then complain because lvl4's are in high sec...
It's also thx to those dudes mining barges got buffed, it will probably be thx to then at some point high sec will become completely safe and then they will complain, once again, like jelly red haired kids you took candies away from them.

Why don't you just spot the trigger and kill it so they get caught by scram/web frigs and killed by rats? -I can assure you this is hilarious, then fraps it or screen shot it and post it in local each time you see it in or his corp. Lol


>new players
>l4s

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Frying Doom
#94 - 2012-09-01 12:26:40 UTC
Andski wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Tippia wrote:
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Why they can't just run their own missions is beyond me.
For the same reason as why mission runners can't just build their own supercaps.

Because the can't anchor a Capital ship Assembly array in Hi-sec?

Nope that doesn't work as an answer.


there are no agents in sov 0.0

i hope i have enlightened you today

That does not really have much to do with why a mission runner can't build super caps. Why would he be in sov space in the first place?

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2012-09-01 14:13:10 UTC
Nea Star wrote:
John Ratcliffe wrote:
Why they can't just run their own missions is beyond me.


Because they don't have enough sp yet to do lvl 4's and find NS to be more lucrative than grinding low lvl missions? Also NS is way more fun.


Its also a great way to practice probing technique. And scanning lvl 4 missions will beat out running missions until you get good at level 4s.

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#96 - 2012-09-01 14:30:11 UTC
MetalDev wrote:

make it a fair fight.


In eve a "fair fight" is a fight where the odds are stacked in your favour .........

Its why there are blobs in nulsec.
Its why there are gatecamps and neutral-alt gatespys.
Its why there are neutral RR's and station gaming.


When PvP'ers start quoting the risk vs reward mantra they are so fond of throwing around, they don't want you to understand its meaning

You take all the risks
They take all the rewards

Once you start to realise and undertsand this you'll cope with eve better.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#97 - 2012-09-01 14:37:34 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Because the can't anchor a Capital ship Assembly array in Hi-sec?
No.

Because it's a completely separate profession with a completely different skill set and a completely different reward structure, and because doing one doesn't mean you have any interest whatsoever in doing the other.
Herr Hammer Draken
#98 - 2012-09-01 14:39:39 UTC
This thread makes me chuckle. There are so few people out there that can even be bothered to salvage their own wrecks that I can not believe this thread can be taken seriously.

Odds are at least 80% of the wrecks in the game go unsalvaged. That should put upward presure on the supply and demand cost of rigs.

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2012-09-01 14:39:48 UTC
John Ratcliffe wrote:
100% agree with OP. Loot ninjas are ******* scum bags who should be Concorded dry up the @rse. Why they can't just run their own missions is beyond me.

Stupid.
Selaya Ataru
Phalanx Solutions
#100 - 2012-09-01 15:03:23 UTC
Dear god he had to make 2 post to spawn a 5 pages thread.
He's bad but surely very efficient at this whole trolling business.