EVE General Discussion

They didn't have the least, though. They had plenty (high bounties and mass-volume LP tends to keep the cash rolling in at high speed) and got upset when an insignificant (and actually loss-creating) margin was taken away from them.

If they manage that, it's also because they have 10× the actual game-playing skill of the mission runners in question, so it is as it should be.

Mission space is no different from any other space.

Yeah it is, i'm just saying. There are ninja salvagers, and then there are ninja salvagers. This is why i said they have 1/10 of the skill points. So people don't confuse skill with SP.

In my opinion the NS that shows himself and coerces his prey to go to another mission hub isn't probably the best example of what this profession actually entails. The guy that is right there sucking up your loot in your face is either trying to be a jerk or failing at being a true salvager. Which of course, its fine. People did that to me when i started EVE ... then a few years later i did it to people.


It would be really awesome to have David Atenborough doing a special on professional ninja salvagers =)

Nah +1 for anybody whining about ninja salvagers being flagged in game with a GCC for badposting.

...Because Tigah Ninnejah Would .....would get ah the loot...

Always +1 for more explosions.

That's because when he steals from you, CONCORD gives you freedom to shoot him. However when you shoot him, its officially "On". For his friends, and for yours too.

It's your fault that you shot a guy without friends to help you defend yourself. There are no cases in EVE where two parties that aggroed each other can't bring their friends to help. Its a social game after all.

I don't know about the other things, but i believe you.

Doesn't change it though, because they've probably seen the salvage as seperate income,
like in "bounties", "LP", "mission objective", "salvage".

"loss creating" ... omg, "opportunity cost" and "mission runners" ... *cough*

And besides that ... "greed is good" etc. ^^

Dealing with ninja salvaging is very easy, but you need to be willing to make appropriate sacrifices. Just like any public resource, to discourage competition you will need to employ tactics to discourage your competition. We don't play in a vacuum. (We, you know I mean. :P) Like all conflict, understanding your opponents motivations and undermining those are an effective deterrent to opposition.

There are some simple but effective measure to ensure that you will not be targeted by salvagers.

1. Watch Dscan for probes. Yes, even in high security. It takes time to probe a mission down. You can warp out when they are within range to get a lock, and make all their effort worthless. Make sure you recall all drones before you warp, as these can be scanned down as easily as your ship.

2. Keep your salvage close to your targets. If the salvager does find you, warp out and they will get agro. This will force the salvager to warp out as well. You have to be sure that the salvager will be in agro range. This takes a bit of experience.

3. Pop all wrecks. This is the last resort mechanism obviously, but it is better to deter further opposition than to allow it to continue. If you don't do this, the salvagers will always come for you knowing that you are an easy target.

After a while, you'll find that when repeat offenders do find you, and its usually from a few indivuals or a small salvage corp, that they express frustration upon the realization that they found you. Their tears are very juicy and nutritious.

If you have gotten to that point, then you have won the battle and now you only must maintain against new interlopers to your missioning empire. :P

(Obviously, this only works in high security. If you are getting scanned in low/null, you have other more important problems. :P)

Note: Never fire on loot aggression. They are baiting you in all likelihood for a fleet gank. This is especially true for pirate corps obviously. Its hard not to, but just don't do it. You ship is mostly likely worth many times the total salvage of all the missiosn they scan that day. If only for the kill mail.

They can't. At most, they can come in and provide remote support (reps, sensor boosting, fleet bosting), but they can't actually shoot him — only the thief can do that.

In order for the the friends in question to be allowed to shoot him, he must either steal something from them (effectively being can-flipped) or he shoot them all at once and stick around while they go and fetch something a bit more aggressive…

Of course, they could just warp in in full combat ship and provide some very tiny support to the original thief, but then he'd be pretty stupid to aggress them and give them the right to shoot him back, since the support they'll be able to bring with those kinds of ships will be relatively minor.


tl;dr: Most likely, we're not hearing the full story, as usual. The whole “got nuked by thief + friends” suggests that he fell for a canflip on top of all the other poor decisions he made…