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Frigates/Destroyers, Null-Sec, and PvP
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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#21 - 2012-08-31 14:47:11 UTC
Short answer: Yes, Frigates and Destroyers are viable specializations in PvP, and in fact, with recent and upcoming buffs to Frigates, now is the time to be a Frigate specialist.

Longer Answer:

In regards to "blobs" - There is no set definition of what "a blob" is, but we can easily deduce that "a blob" is any fleet or gang employing "blob tactics". "Blob tactics" is simply defeating your opponent with overwhelming numbers. So a gang of 5 Frigates can "be blobbed" by a gang of 15 Frigates, and the gang of 15 Frigates can "be blobbed" by a gang of 30 and so on and so forth. Blobs are a "viable strategy" by groups that only care about winning and padding their killboard, and is generally looked down upon by everyone else just wanting to have fun.

The good thing about Frigates, however, is that they're extremely fast and agile, making it hard for "THE BLOB" to wipe out entire gangs. We've often run blobcamp after blobcamp, often crashing the gate before any of us could even be pointed, and warping to safety before THE BLOB could even react. The other way to counter THE BLOB is, of course, with a bigger blob or our frenemy, ECM.

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Are Frigates and Destroyers, Tech 1 and up, viable choices as career ships or just for particular situations (Examples: Piracy, Small Gang Roams, Gate Camps, etc.) or do they have a place in larger fleet warfare?


As far as piracy goes, frigs and dessies unfortunately have a limited application due to gate-gun mechanics which, supposedly, CCP is working on fixing. Frigs and dessies however are great for anti-piracy, a you can freely fire upon anyone who has -5.0 sec status and their corp mates will be unable to legally assist them, meaning they'll have to GCC and take gate guns - over frigates. Also, most pirates, due to gate guns, fly around in larger ships - battlecruisers and battleships. You'll find that gangs of frigs and dessies, but especially frigs, are almost overpowered when it comes to fighting larger ships.

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Is the Null-Sec experience that I detailed above the norm?


NullSec is a great place to go vandalize property, but as far as living there and getting serious about it - you're better off in NPC NullSec or nearby LowSec. Large-scale fleet combat is dreadfully boring, but it serves it's purpose (taking and defending space).

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Can one make a lucrative career by flying Frigates and Destroyers, or are Corps/Alliances looking more often for larger ships to fill out their fleets as they're more skill intensive to acquire?


Lucrative? Well, the key to making money in EVE is diversification, adaptability, and being an overall dynamic pilot. If you want to make some money, you can definitely do it in a frigate (*coughFWcough*), but it would be worth it to train up cruisers to a good level and do LowSec exploration. I know people who have made billions in a week of fervent exploration. I myself seem to get more misses than hits. :P

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Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#22 - 2012-09-02 10:12:06 UTC
As said above frigs can be regional. if you are only interested in null PVP great. Just remember that taking GCC in low sec means gateguns. Frigs and dessies do not stand up well to them. If you are bumping into low sec gangs you will see fewer or no frigs and dessies on the field.

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Korbin Dallaz
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-09-02 20:28:51 UTC
Jyuno Terkar wrote:


My interests, as Do'Mai asked which I was pretty sure I had answered just prior to asking more detailed questions, are in PvP, Null-Sec, and flying Frigates and Destroyers and asked some questions relating to those. It's fantastic that there are so many iterations on what any particular thing I can do, but asking me to get more specific when saying that there's limitless potential for everything in EVE leaves me scratching my head. I thought I'd made it pretty clear what my interests were in this rather large, in-depth game.

Please note that I'm not asking for specifics on fits or the best way on how to do a thing as I'm confident I can figure that out and then put variation on theme to accomplish a particular task. For instance, you mention ISK flow in your previous post. Some of those activities I'm already engaging in. It's good information, but not what I was asking after.

What I am asking, from what I've observed thus far on this go 'round in EVE (played for a little bit back in 2004 with some friends, not for long though) is whether these things I've witnessed are the standard, what can I expect the reaction to be from others (Corporation Members or Independents) as I progress down this path I've chosen, and can it be a rewarding experience. So far I've gotten some pretty good, constructive answers w/ data behind them to see that I am most certainly on a strong path.




We seem to be talking past each other. Let me try to put this a different way. Yes frigs are viable. But where I get hung up is where you say what are corps looking for when the real question is what kind of corp are you looking for. I'll say this again you can do what ever you want in this game. If the corp your in can not make use of you doing your thing your way then you are in the wrong corp.

So there is really no need to ask if you can do something really only how it can be done with in the limitations of game mechanics.

As far as frigs and Sov Warfare bombers are huge part of sov warfare and probably one of the most important parts. Cloaky bombers camping and pestering enemies for days or weeks before an invasion to soften them up is one of the most important roles in sov warfare. It would be near impossible to conquer space unless you were twice the size of your opponent if you did not "soften them up" ahead of time with cloaky campers slowing down isk flow and demoralizing the enemy.
Keagor
Sweaty Balls 5000
#24 - 2012-10-15 23:53:39 UTC
yes u can specialize in frigates and destroyers however i do sugest that u also train into biggers ships like BC's and BS's as this will allow greater participation on your part in null sec take for example the CFC's alpha mael fleet or the welp cane fleet of course you don't need to t2 the guns or anything but having them avalible to you give u greater flexiblity in PVP and makes you more of an asset to any corporation

also specializing in frigs and dessies will hinder you if u decide to go into low sec PVP later on in your EVE Career

HERO TACKLE FTW
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2012-10-16 00:00:08 UTC
Keagor wrote:
yes u can specialize in frigates and destroyers however i do sugest that u also train into biggers ships like BC's and BS's as this will allow greater participation on your part in null sec take for example the CFC's alpha mael fleet or the welp cane fleet of course you don't need to t2 the guns or anything but having them avalible to you give u greater flexiblity in PVP and makes you more of an asset to any corporation

also specializing in frigs and dessies will hinder you if u decide to go into low sec PVP later on in your EVE Career

HERO TACKLE FTW


He can get by just fine in 0.0 as an interdictor Blink

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Keagor
Sweaty Balls 5000
#26 - 2012-10-16 00:22:10 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
can get by just fine in 0.0 as an interdictor Blink



lol i'm not saying he can't i'm just saying that it is a good idea to have those ships avlible to to him i also did say that yes he could specilze in dessies and frigs however being a interdictor pilot is awesome as well
DeBingJos
Undignified Herbal Infusion
#27 - 2012-10-16 11:14:29 UTC  |  Edited by: DeBingJos
First of all, ask these questions in corpchat or on our internal forums first.

Yes frigs and destroyers are a lot of fun to fly. They are my favorite PVP ship class. Our corp goes out to lowsec quite a lot and although were are quite terrible at pvp we have a lot of fun. BearPirate

In the lowsec FW areas its easy to find some pew.

I suggest you login to our forums and check the ops-section. Most events are posted there and all are open for everybody to join. You may also create your own event-activity-roam if you want.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-10-16 12:41:21 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Keagor wrote:
yes u can specialize in frigates and destroyers however i do sugest that u also train into biggers ships like BC's and BS's as this will allow greater participation on your part in null sec take for example the CFC's alpha mael fleet or the welp cane fleet of course you don't need to t2 the guns or anything but having them avalible to you give u greater flexiblity in PVP and makes you more of an asset to any corporation

also specializing in frigs and dessies will hinder you if u decide to go into low sec PVP later on in your EVE Career

HERO TACKLE FTW


He can get by just fine in 0.0 as an interdictor Blink
Posting at 00:00 about 0.0 ... speak about l33tnessPirate

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]
Doddy
Excidium.
#29 - 2012-10-16 15:47:41 UTC
Frigs and dessies are great, and you should def stick with what you enjoy. Branch out to the different types though. Dictors are key in 0.0 and let you get right in on the action (though you will die a heros death often), Bombers are great both as solo hunters and for ambushes in groups. PvP in eve is mostly what you make of it, if you are not having fun you are probably in the wrong corp.
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