EVE General Discussion

Why people install a full set of learning implants on their main clone is beyond me. After a few months you should have some sort of plan to where you can just use primary and secondary implants for your skill plan. So you are only risking upwards of 150m instead of 300+. Which is easily replaceable in 0.0 isk wise.

So, in other words, you're saying ditching learning implants would affect old players less than new?

Learning Skills were removed because they were skills that provided no in-game advantage, just a metagame advantage. They also discouraged new players from training fun skills because everyone told them to train learning skills.

Learning implants are implants that provide no in-game advantage, just a metagame advantage. They also discourage new players (and heck, plenty of older players*) from trying fun things because everyone tells them to go buy a set of +3s then avoid losing them.
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Learning Implants look a lot like Learning Skills and the rationale for removal is the same.


*Ughhh, my Jumpclone timer isn't up and I'm in my +4s, etc.

I am shocked that you seem to be towing the party line, as usual.

Your question was invalid.

See Brooks Puntai's post for more clues:

It was not an invalid question, and the reason why you want to label it as invalid is because it does impact the newbies more than the old players.


Can you remove mods from your golem without losing them? Can you remove yourself from the golem without losing it? Yes?

Shocking how those two things work differently.


Pot, meet kettle.

What does? My point was that learning implants don't actually affect anyone, hence no point removing them. If you are obsessed over a few days and worry losing them, it's your problem.



You seem to miss the point - only thing preventing you from PVPing in either is purely your personal issue, nobody forces you to own a 20bil Golem or wear a full set of +5s, and if you can't afford to lose either, the problem is your wallet and not game mechanics.

Learning implants, which provide no in game advantage to a pilot but cost money discourage participation in PvP when you might risk losing your pod (the same way clone costs discourage people from shipping down when they risk losing their pod).

Your Medical Clone is the same thing as a bunch of Implants. Upgrading your med clone costs ISK and gives you SP when you die. Plugging in implants cost ISK and give you SP until you die. Both discourage PvP.

Newbies will want to be able to start doing things early, so they'll have an incentive to use learning implants. Except, when they have them, they're suddenly in the position of their pod being worth multiple times of what their ship is, which means they'll PVP less to avoid losing the implants. Older players (like me, for example) will never, ever need implants ever again, in fact I'm currently hunting around for skills to take to l5 "just because", and I'm tempted to just stop training just so the clone cost won't escalate.


You seem to miss the point, a "20 bil golem" is something you can get out of easily and at any time, and you can easily downgrade into a 1m isk ship for some quick PVP. For your argument to hold water, you would have to be either completely unable to remove mods from your ship, or unable to get out of a ship whenever you want; this isn't so.

You can ***** and whine about how people should "fly what you can afford", but when the newbies have a choice between either "flying what [they] can afford" (i.e. in a lot of cases, no implants) and having to wait that much longer to be eligible for fleet type x, or stick that implant in their head and potentially miss out on fleets "because the jumpclone cooldown isn't over yet", then something could do with updating. Either removal of learning implants (and subsequent increase in base stats), or the ability to remove them.

Ships and the Skills that are needed to fly them provide in game advantages. Med Clones and Learning Implants do not. See how there's a difference?