Ships & Modules

The CNR has 1 more launcher, a bit less tank.
The Rattlesnake can use bigger angrier drones and has more tank.
The Golem fire GIANT pulsating penises out to 50km and will eat your children as it strolls slowly across your yard.

Now it boils down to the question...
Which ship is better?
In terms of high level PVE
In terms of general PVP
etc

Discuss please

None of them are much good at pvp they are all pve based ships, the golem is good at close range missions eg angels. But it has range issues due to torp travel time. Also juggling target painters is annoying as you want 2-3 of those fitted.

The rattlesnake even with max drone skills and missiles skills takes a long time to do missions compared to a gunboat of similiar cost eg machariel vindicator and nightmare. The cnr is decent but the damage isnt the best and cruise missiles arent much good vs cruisers and below.

Just my 2 cents anyway

I can't advise on PVP as I am a new player (11 months on and off) and am just learning the PVP ropes in RvB at the moment.

As regards PVE the the aim should be to finish the missions as quickly as possible. For Lvl 4 missions, I'd go with the CNR, only because it's far easier to get into than the Golem. If you can already fly both well, then buy both. Use the CNR with CMs for those missions where the NPCs are at range and the Golem with Torps for those missions where you are dropped on their heads.

I'd use the Rattlesnake with a fully passive fit for Lvl 5s only. It can do Lvl 4s if you change the fit to include drone damage mods in the lows and mids, but TBH either of the other 2 ships will clear the room faster.

A lot of people are talking Passive fits but for a Rattler you want to go Active Tank for Lvl 4's and T2 Sentries. Forget Heavy Drones for the most part you want your Guards to hit to around 50km where the majority of Battleships Orbit. They should be able to handle most Cruisers as well but a Ship Bonus, and 3 DDA's should eat any Cruiser that orbits to close. For those longer range ships that haven't reached orbit you have the Wardens, Bouncers and Curators. .

The only weakness is that it can not move while firing but around 800 DPS to 50km. Basically a Domi with Missiles and a much better Angel / Rogue Drones Tank.

[Rattlesnake, Dmg Projection]
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Garde II x5
Curator II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

Okay, Amarr ships aren't pulsating. But they're much longer than anything the Golem has to offer. And they come in nice colors instead of Caldari Grey (painted over with a silly camo pattern).

I think you're confusing what he's saying. He's not advocating EHP — he's advocating more damage output over tank, and the classic passive-tanked Rattler does the exact opposite.

Basically, fit the Rattler with the mids (only) full of tank the the lows full of gank, rather than filling up both with tank.

Of those three, in gereral I like the 'snake for the Drone bay and cruise fitting capability. However, I'll take the SNI over all three of those if offered. And yes, I currently run L4's in either a Tengu or an SNI. :)

You act like that's expensive.

-Liang

Ed: I mean seriously, you must be doing missions because you enjoy them. It's not like it's a particularly effective way to make ISK in Eve so that can't really be your goal.

Cruise missiles without rigors are sad pandas.

You want Overtank ?
You want DPS ?
You want Speed and agility ?
Get a Tengu.

Here's my overtanked tengu for afk with no troubles at all :

[Tengu, L4]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Power Diagnostic System II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I

Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


( That's my point, I like this fit but I'm not saying that's the best tengu in the world .. )