Intergalactic Summit

Millions were expelled for expressing opinions on the Caldari Secession similar to your own. Billions of additional Intaki, including a disproportionate number of Doves have been recently disenfranchised. It seems strange to me to simultaneously advocate for peace with the Caldari State and decimating the voting block in favor of peace.

Of course, those of us who can be called traditionalists are outnumbered by people of Intaki ancestry who fully embraced and integrated into the Federation over the centuries. On many Federation worlds, I suspect there would be little political will to pack cousins, friends, and domestic partners on a freighter to a war zone.

The wrong you commited has a price, you understand you have commited a wrong yet you give us no quarter. giving the enslaved Minmatar the option is the payment you must give. Simply stating you were wrong but now you are better is not good enough reperations must be made.

Sadly you speak as if you have no respect for free will. I cannot see how a person that is clearly intelligent can sit there and proclaim that billions of grown adults do not know what is best for them, i cannot and will never understand this.

As i said the Minmatar that wish to remain in Amarrian space should be allowed to do so, they are damaging to the republic anyway.

As for all of you that deem keeping people against there will to be at all acceptable for any reason whatsoever , im afraid we will never see eye to eye.

Here we can see a standard example of communication from a tribal, brainwashed by gallentes.

And, well, partially answering to the... akhem... "question",
really,
should I be polite with vermin that I exterminate?
Really?

Statements like this naturally incite an instinctive response among my people which sounds something like "Pot, meet kettle". However, to say this dosent actually solve anything; it is just a continuation of the same old finger pointing that has gone on for the past hundred plus years, which has not been constructive. Is there truth in a "pot, meet kettle" sort of reply? Of course. Does this solve the problem? No.

I want my kin to walk their own path, whatever that path may be, as an individual decides for themselves, with guidance from whatever religion one follows. The fact that the Amarrian path is abhorrent to me, foreign and incomprehensible, makes a response of "Youre wrong, they should walk a Matari path!" an all too easy response; once again, it solves nothing.

The issue we face is the continual assault from all sides, both materially and culturally. I have been assured by many who I respect among the Amarr that you will try again; your God demands this of you, that there can be no coexistence of our ways and yours. What recourse does this leave us? What would you do in our place? It is not only the Amarr who try to change us; the Gallente, who we owe so very much to, did not give us aid because they wished us to be free, like Minmatar. The Gallente wish for all to be free like them, in their image. The same Gallente who will rise in their windy wrath to defend my right to live according to our ways has, in the next breath, attacked our customs as being barbaric, opressive, outdated.

What do we do? Those of us who push for peace have our voices drowned out by those who bring up the above points, as well as those who refuse to let go of the past. Their concerns are real enough, the issues outlined above, those which remain even if we immediately seek peace, are still present. Trying to explain to those outside our society the struggle that simply "being Minmatar" entails is as impossible as winning an argument with the wind. That does not mean our struggle is not very real, nor important. We cannot have peace unless we stop fighting. Our people can not prosper in the current economic environment, because of the fighting. Yet to stop fighting does not remove or reduce the threats against us.

Walk my path, walk the path of my brothers and sisters and daughters and grandparents.

Then, and only then, may you condemn my path.

I was not quoting your friend. I was quoting the Amarrian, and my argument adressed to him, for so eagerly using her words to defend his agenda.

On this we agree, I should clarify that my statement was nothing more than a clarification of Miss Riordan's statement and not my own. I explained in the same post that we are guilty of the exact same.



You know from speaking with me that I indeed hold to this because it is honesty. You also know better than most what precisely motivates the Amarr and why we continue to do as we do. Yet our ways and our motivations remain foreign to you just as your remain foreign to us.



As I explained to you before and will do time and time again, you cannot be faulted for doing as you feel you must. You seek to preserve the traditions and culture of the Minmatar, you seek to bring about a future that you hold dear in your dreams and heart. The Amarr seek to spread the message of redemption and reconciliation to God and unite humanity underneath its creator and sovereign, we seek to bring about a future that we hold dear in our dreams and hearts. Our dreams unfortunately do not mingle.

I believe I understand you when you state that trying to explain your struggles is like trying to win an argument with the wind, it is something that I could echo, which I am sure you also understand.

Apologies. I misinterpreted your words.

Ava you summed it up pretty much perfectly.

I agree we need to stop fighting. I agree the fighting is detrimental to our population. But to stop fighting would be to abandon the 1/3 of our people in slavery. A larger number than in the entire republic. It is an impossible decision to make, a heart break too hard to bare, therefore as you well know, we keep fighting.

I retire from this conversation here, i sadly cannot see a diplomatic solution to this situation.

As Ushra'Khan and Matari we will not abandon our people, As believers of the Amarrian faith you will not relinquish our people under the notion you are saving them.

See you on the battlefield.

I believe this is the part where I play the devil.

You are rescuing those people while ignoring the ones you have already rescued. As it stands, rescuing them is not doing them a favour. They are homeless, they are jobless, they are dying from curable illnesses. I grew up in a city where there was a Caldari megacorp mining operation, so most people had jobs and it was still a slum. The conditions in the republic are abhorrent, and I'm sorry, but the people in the Empire simply are not 'your' people anymore. That war came and went, we lost. Its over. You disagree with their opinions on human rights. That's great, feel free to have at it. But if you care about those so called human rights as much as you claim; if you are willing to wage a war over them, then you must care about the even more basic rights then freedom as well. Food, housing, clean air and water, a safe bed. Those things cannot yet be provided to the people you free, they are not provided for the people who have already been freed. So let the Empire be, and fix the **** at home before you try to free more people. The Republic is lucky that the Amarrians have not simply dumped the slaves on them. It would end the nation completely. There would be total anarchy.



My voluval is actually on my left breast. The marks on my face are the naming marks of my clan, and my accomplishments in life. I take no issue with my marks or the traditions from which they stem. Though my clan and I do not always see I to eye, At the end of the day, they are still family, and I still have a measure of respect for their traditions.

I said by GALLENTE, not by apes.