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Mining in an industrial - Just dont.
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Rams Trough'put
White Knight's Production inc.
#41 - 2012-08-31 23:33:58 UTC
Hiro Ceffoe wrote:
I was mining in an industrial while I was doing housework, worked out well for me, why blanket the idea of industrial mining with an absolute like "its dumb" or "just dont" surely its entirely dependant on the state of the player, not everyone devotes 100 percent of there attention to EVE at all times.

The ore I got during that hour or two of mining in an industrial is more than I would have got if I hadn't done it, I don't see how thats a bad thing.

It would make more sense to maybe use math or the age old example to support your post, telling someone not to do something because you consider it stupid is not advice its dictating. To advise someone is to tell them the pros and cons of a situation biased in the direction you prefer and then let them make up there own mind.
I still in mine if I'm hauling in a 2 man fleet. He mines while I'm gone, but in the time I'm gone he hasn't pulled enough to to top me off, so I just pull up and pick up what he's got so far and start my laser up just to help till I'm ready to make another dump run.

There is times that it "kinda" makes sense, when solo, I don't do it.
Rams Trough'put
White Knight's Production inc.
#42 - 2012-08-31 23:57:16 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Erinn Sylvanus wrote:
1) - the semi-afk time, when my main was missioning and I had on my second screen, my alt in an indy sitting there chewing rocks.
But other than those times - yeah, get a cruiser, some cargo expanders, bookmark a rock, and just haul to station and jump back when loaded. Much better isk.
Did almost the same as your 1st point.

Main was doing some PvP, one of the alts was sitting in a 1.0 system chewing a Veldspar rock with an itty 5.

But then again, if I really want to mine while "paying attention", I take out dedicated mining ships (bonused stuff).
But not all of us "noobs" in are up flying a dedicated miner yet.

We"re still just getting our basic skills up. They say it only takes 2 days to train, but when your just starting out, there is more important things to train than spending 2 days on a dedicated miner you're sure your gonna even stick with.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-09-01 07:47:36 UTC
Rams Trough'put wrote:
J'Poll wrote:
Erinn Sylvanus wrote:
1) - the semi-afk time, when my main was missioning and I had on my second screen, my alt in an indy sitting there chewing rocks.
But other than those times - yeah, get a cruiser, some cargo expanders, bookmark a rock, and just haul to station and jump back when loaded. Much better isk.
Did almost the same as your 1st point.

Main was doing some PvP, one of the alts was sitting in a 1.0 system chewing a Veldspar rock with an itty 5.

But then again, if I really want to mine while "paying attention", I take out dedicated mining ships (bonused stuff).
But not all of us "noobs" in are up flying a dedicated miner yet.

We"re still just getting our basic skills up. They say it only takes 2 days to train, but when your just starting out, there is more important things to train than spending 2 days on a dedicated miner you're sure your gonna even stick with.


Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar still have a mining bonused frigate. Only takes hours to train that.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#44 - 2012-09-01 08:44:49 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Cruiser pilots for the rifterlings Ugh don't you guys fly rifters like that famous and sweaty rifter society? Maybe just a clever name to trick us Pirate


They are just a copy Twisted

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Su'urthae Daehn
Daehn Holdings
#45 - 2012-09-04 23:53:53 UTC
Ok I won't.
But, what about a Rokh?

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Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-09-05 00:23:12 UTC
When I first started playing I tried mining in an Industrial but I figured out pretty fast it simply wasn't outfitted for that kind of work, so I gave it up. P

Eve is red in tooth and claw. Some people learn from their mistakes, some don't. Those who don't get winnowed out.

It is ever thus in both Eve and real life.

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Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#47 - 2012-09-05 01:02:03 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
I know this is the Q/A forums and i dont actually have a question. I do however get asked this a lot by new players so i thought i'd just clarify for those new players considering this route.

Industrial ships have huge cargo holds and this leads a LOT of new miners to train for indy's as a mining ship. This is absolutely the worst idea since Michael Jackson thought to himself "hey, i wonder what Macaulay Culkin's up to tonight".

The large cargo hold may make an indy seem like a prime mining ship, IT IS NOT.


It's not just time-inefficient to suck roids in an Industrial or a Transport. You're also likely to return from AFK, a few hours later, and notice that the asteroid you chose to suck on popped (became empty of ore) after a very few minutes.

Most roids contain very little ore. You can use a Survey Scanner to see how much ore there is in roids within range (and with a T2 Survey Scanner, range is 22.5 km) and choose the ore containing the most ore, but it's still likely to be a fairly small amount, especially if you keep in mind that the Survey Scanner shows the ore amount in units, not in m3, and a typical Industrial may contain from 10'000 to 20'000 m3 of ore (the biggest most pimped ones up to 38'000, IIRC). 20'000 m3 of ore is 200'000 units of Veldspar or about 120'000 units of Scordite. Even roids containing 60'000 Scordite are very rare in low-population high-sec belts.

I guess if you take an Industrial that can fit 2 mining lasers, and with a cargo hold of 8000 to 12'000 m3, it makes some sense. Then it should be possible to find two roids tha can fill your cargo hold, evne if it takes a long AFK time to do the actual filling.

Your best bet - or rather your least bad bet - for AFK mining in an Industrial or Transport, is to do exploration and find a Gravimetric site. Finding such a site can take from 15 to 120 minutes (and you might not find any at all, in a given day), but they tend to contain few but very ore-rich roids, so that you can sit there AFK and suck from the same roid for a very long time.

I still won't recommend it.
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#48 - 2012-09-05 01:08:18 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
[quote=Hiro Ceffoe]
You are an AFK miner. Sitting at your computer doing something else makes you no less an AFK miner. I have clearly stated several times now that the post is not aimed at AFK miners, but at new players being told crap advice BY afk miners like you. Please can we just stop the trolling, every point you have tried to make is already obviously covered in the first post Ugh


I call that being semi-AFK, because since you are in front of the computer, just doing something else, it's fairly easy and likely to alt+tab back into the client once every 10 or 15 minutes to check on things.

Being fully AFK means going to flop down on the couch to watch television, or going out to buy groceries.

A Mackinaw or Retriever works very well for semi-AFK mining, for for fully AFK mining it's not so good (an indy with two miners may actually be better).
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#49 - 2012-09-05 01:15:05 UTC
Gaius Fabricius wrote:
highonpop wrote:

mining in and industrial is not good even if you are afk.



This tbh.

You get 20K m3 ore in like 45 minutes.
Lets say its veldspar, thats less than 300K ISK per hour. Yea 300.000 ISK per hour....
Thats 1-2 missions.
Well I guess its a lot to some.


Please share your calculation, because I cannot see how the above is even within spitting distance of being correct.
Rams Trough'put
White Knight's Production inc.
#50 - 2012-09-05 02:44:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Rams Trough'put
Salpad wrote:
Gaius Fabricius wrote:
highonpop wrote:

mining in and industrial is not good even if you are afk.



This tbh.

You get 20K m3 ore in like 45 minutes.
Lets say its veldspar, thats less than 300K ISK per hour. Yea 300.000 ISK per hour....
Thats 1-2 missions.
Well I guess its a lot to some.


Please share your calculation, because I cannot see how the above is even within spitting distance of being correct.
That sounds a WAY high to me too. I know I can fill 1615m3 Exequror in 7 mins(need to double check that) or so with 4 Cu Vapor Particle Bore Streams going.

What the "H E double hockey sticks" is he using to pull that much!!!! lol, I think I'll call fudge'cicles on that math
Ciaran O' Faolain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-09-05 07:03:59 UTC
btw I wonder... all races have mining bonus cruisers?
I know now the Amarr have no more mining frigate, and with the winter update no race will have any mining frigate, we will have to move to ORE frigate for that. But what about cruisers?

Osprey is the caldari mining cruisers. But minmatarr, gallantean, amarr, do they have a mining cruiser?
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-09-05 07:23:10 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Ciaran O' Faolain wrote:
btw I wonder... all races have mining bonus cruisers?
I know now the Amarr have no more mining frigate, and with the winter update no race will have any mining frigate, we will have to move to ORE frigate for that. But what about cruisers?

Osprey is the caldari mining cruisers. But minmatarr, gallantean, amarr, do they have a mining cruiser?


Yes, all races have a cruiser that is bonused to mining.

But the question is for how long, as part of the tiericide CCP is doing, the next logical step will be the overhaul of the cruisers.

EDIT:

Amarr - Arbitrator - Bonus to mining drone yield.
Gallente - Vexor - Bonus to mining drone yield.
Minmatar - Scythe - Bonus to mining laser yield.

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Ciaran O' Faolain
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-09-05 07:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Ciaran O' Faolain
Oh ok but to me a bonus to mining drone does not really make a mining cruiser. Even at low range, mining drones can not match with T2 mining lasers... I guess the Osprey is still the best mining cruiser around then...

Or perhaps the Scythe...
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