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gecko1501
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-08-29 22:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: gecko1501
If you have ever wanted to make an EVE online movie, and feel you are in fact creative enough and talented enough to do so, please read to its end.

Alright. I have been dreaming about this for so long. But Alas, I have no talent in writing or filming. But I want to appeal to the EVE community, Oh how creative you all are. I wish I had the time and lacked the ties to my life to carry this out. I want to introduce to you, what I think would be a SURE FIRE WAY to be able to produce a movie based in the EVE universe.

(this is not and advertisement, this is a die hard fan trying to point out an opportunity to a talented individual that could blow us away)

www.kickstarter.com

Clear skies has captured all of us with its wonderful story, and for it being the unofficial original EVE online movie, it will always be at the top of the list.

But, through out its production and creation. The producer always talked about time available to do this. We all know that time equates into money. With the proper funding, I know Ian Chrisholm could have knocked us out of our socks. Imagine having the funds to afford animation with his own customizable engine for the personal parts of the film (which he kinda got with Clear Skies 3). Or hell, What if it was Live action!

Look at these following links and imagine building one of your own to get the funding needed to make a damned good funded movie. Take note of how much money was funded, how many "backers" it took to make it possible. The content that makes the project is mostly unimportant. But in some cases, you may think how they achieved it.

I don't want to hear any bashing on personal views or what you think is right and wrong. I am merely posting these because of their shear success and am making no political statement of any kind. I just want a dang EVE online movie.

Bridgeroom

$300,000 received from less then 7,000 Backers.

SAVE Blue Like Jazz!

$345,000 Received from less then 5,000 Backers!

BronyCon: The Documentary

$322,000 Received from less then 3,000 Backers!

Kick starter is full of gamers. These next couple of links are not movies, but do show what game related projects hold for potential.

Double Fine Adventure

$3.3 Million received from 87,000 Backers!!!!

Wasteland 2

$2.9 Million received from 61,000 Backers!!!

How many people play EVE? Imagine the out come if less then half of us Backed an eve online movie project. This is extremely possible! Please, if you are the creative type, and know your way around filming. DO IT!

(DISCLAIMER TO CCP - If this post is in violation of anything, please just delete this post and send me a mean eve mail. The only gain I hope to get out of this is an hour or so of some dang good movie watching. I understand there could be some boundaries dealing with some one profiting off of your product but I am not encouraging that. I am only encouraging fans to find the means to make some great fan fiction that could very possibly help you in the long run)

(DISCLAIMER TO INSPIRED INDIVIDUAL - Keep it legal! Contact CCP and make sure any funds you do plan on receiving for this project is applied to how CCP agrees. I would not want to see any one get in trouble for this. But I would REALLY love to see some one run with the correct funding available)

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-08-29 22:57:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
There's already an Eve movie trilogy... Clear Skies and there is no contest here.

Also an Eve movie will ruin Eve....

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gecko1501
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-08-29 23:00:20 UTC  |  Edited by: gecko1501
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
There's already an Eve movie trilogy... Clear Skies and there is no contest here.

Also an Eve movie will ruin Eve....


I can tell how little of my post you read. Not only by your speed of posting... But by completely over looking my shout out to Ian Chrisholm. Obviously the god father of EVE online movie making... :(

I also don't see how you can bash the idea of making an eve online movie while at the same time promoting one... errr three. Tell me one more time... were you for this or against this idea? =P
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-08-29 23:22:46 UTC
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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#5 - 2012-08-30 13:00:11 UTC
If CCP were in the movie-making business, perhaps, but they are not.

The IP for EVE is controlled by them, as you point out, and therefore any finacially backed movie project would need their seal of approval.

Which means: anything the community would write (under the terms of this thread) would need to be altered by CCP to meet the needs of their IP.

If it is not agreed upon by CCP, they would not give legal approval for a film to be made and subsequent profits would not be passed back to the backers of the project.

No one would back a film for an existing IP, if the owner of the IP does not give its consent, and even then, who gets the profits? 1 billion ISK says it's CCP first, and then all the backers would get their money second.

Besides, an EVE Online movie would need $20 mill(est), with no named voice actors, then you got another $70 mill for the prints, just for the USA's 4,000+ screens - that's if they, of course, see no conflict with an EVE Online film and one of the films they have from the owners of the chain.

All that said, I do have a EVE Movie that I am writing the script for as we speak...thankfully with no deus ex machina at the end of it.

AK

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gecko1501
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-30 22:27:45 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
If CCP were in the movie-making business, perhaps, but they are not.

The IP for EVE is controlled by them, as you point out, and therefore any finacially backed movie project would need their seal of approval.

Which means: anything the community would write (under the terms of this thread) would need to be altered by CCP to meet the needs of their IP.

If it is not agreed upon by CCP, they would not give legal approval for a film to be made and subsequent profits would not be passed back to the backers of the project.

No one would back a film for an existing IP, if the owner of the IP does not give its consent, and even then, who gets the profits? 1 billion ISK says it's CCP first, and then all the backers would get their money second.

Besides, an EVE Online movie would need $20 mill(est), with no named voice actors, then you got another $70 mill for the prints, just for the USA's 4,000+ screens - that's if they, of course, see no conflict with an EVE Online film and one of the films they have from the owners of the chain.

All that said, I do have a EVE Movie that I am writing the script for as we speak...thankfully with no deus ex machina at the end of it.

AK

Hey, thanks for reading my thread and responding first off.

What you would have to know about Kickstarter first, is the backers are not allowed to get anything back in a money value. They are allowed to offer incentives such as T-shirts for giving X amount of money, or a T-Shirt plus a Mug for little More then X amount of money. Or even a character in the movie with your in game character's name to take a walk on role in the move if you donate Even more then X amount of money. Backers receive NO profit. Maybe a collectable or two, but are not allowed to get a cut of the profits. Poke around Kickstarter for a bit and learn how it works. Most people donate just to support the project because they want to see it done. I personally have never backed more then the amount needed to get the product being produced. But, even if you aren't going to support this movie, there are other cool things on there and you may see how this could fit in, and better yet, how it would run. I think that's the best part about kickstarter. Backers back a project only because they want to see it done. Never because they get anything of real value out of it. But yet, time and time again, projects are reaching their goals.

So as far as who gets the money, its not as difficult as a situation as I think you are perceiving it as. Also, I think you are over estimating the reach of what I was imagining this movie going. I imagined the largest screen it reaching would be the one at CCP's party at the top of the world for fanfest. I wasn't talking about going all out and trying to get it in every theater across the world. God no, that would be a money pit. I was thinking more along the lines of a digital release and maybe a slot on netflix like "the guild" featuring Felicia Day has. Other then that, if you're in it for the money, I think you are in it for the wrong reasons.

I was just thinking it would be cool to see a few hundred thousand bucks make it in the hands of a director that could quit his day job for a year or so to devote his time to making a film. And still have some cash left over to pay for any production costs and a few people to help produce the movie. Ian Chrisholm worked his whole films off of favors and free time. Very impressive. I couldn't imagine what Clear skies would have turned out like if he had money to help him along his process. The results would have been staggering given the strong story line in all three films. If only they were a little true to the background workings of the EVE universe. But those were easily overlooked issues based on what he had available.

And you state that you have a script in the works, I really hope you take an honest effort and really comprehend what could be done with kickstarter and how it may help. Please don't just write this post off as coming from a guy that doesn't know anything about anything. Because although that may be true, Take a look again at the films above that made it. They figured it out. I am simply challenging some one that has an equal amount of love for this game and its back story as I do, but are built out of a few more creative bones then me. I also imagine that CCP would be a little more supportive of this idea if someone that really knows what they are doing gets behind this. Look at the support they gave Ian Chrisholm for Clear Skies 3. And with the recent shout out on the news board in the loader, I think they are looking forward to a new fan fiction undertaking again. Imagine if CCP would be willing to help with those incentives awarded to the backers of the project that would effectively cost them little to produce. Such as an in game items.
Mac Tir
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-08-31 11:58:52 UTC
Name one good film based on a computer game.

Think about it.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#8 - 2012-08-31 12:19:11 UTC  |  Edited by: AlleyKat
Mac Tir wrote:
Name one good film based on a computer game.

Think about it.


Resident Evil.

$33mill budget, $102mill gross

AK

This space for rent.
Mac Tir
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-08-31 20:47:00 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Mac Tir wrote:
Name one good film based on a computer game.

Think about it.


Resident Evil.

$33mill budget, $102mill gross

AK



Yeah, that was a really thought provoking piece of cinema.
Hoarr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-09-01 00:18:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Hoarr
gecko1501 wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:
If CCP were in the movie-making business, perhaps, but they are not.

The IP for EVE is controlled by them, as you point out, and therefore any finacially backed movie project would need their seal of approval.

Which means: anything the community would write (under the terms of this thread) would need to be altered by CCP to meet the needs of their IP.

If it is not agreed upon by CCP, they would not give legal approval for a film to be made and subsequent profits would not be passed back to the backers of the project.

No one would back a film for an existing IP, if the owner of the IP does not give its consent, and even then, who gets the profits? 1 billion ISK says it's CCP first, and then all the backers would get their money second.

Besides, an EVE Online movie would need $20 mill(est), with no named voice actors, then you got another $70 mill for the prints, just for the USA's 4,000+ screens - that's if they, of course, see no conflict with an EVE Online film and one of the films they have from the owners of the chain.

All that said, I do have a EVE Movie that I am writing the script for as we speak...thankfully with no deus ex machina at the end of it.

AK

Hey, thanks for reading my thread and responding first off.

What you would have to know about Kickstarter first, is the backers are not allowed to get anything back in a money value. They are allowed to offer incentives such as T-shirts for giving X amount of money, or a T-Shirt plus a Mug for little More then X amount of money. Or even a character in the movie with your in game character's name to take a walk on role in the move if you donate Even more then X amount of money. Backers receive NO profit. Maybe a collectable or two, but are not allowed to get a cut of the profits. Poke around Kickstarter for a bit and learn how it works. Most people donate just to support the project because they want to see it done. I personally have never backed more then the amount needed to get the product being produced. But, even if you aren't going to support this movie, there are other cool things on there and you may see how this could fit in, and better yet, how it would run. I think that's the best part about kickstarter. Backers back a project only because they want to see it done. Never because they get anything of real value out of it. But yet, time and time again, projects are reaching their goals.

So as far as who gets the money, its not as difficult as a situation as I think you are perceiving it as. Also, I think you are over estimating the reach of what I was imagining this movie going. I imagined the largest screen it reaching would be the one at CCP's party at the top of the world for fanfest. I wasn't talking about going all out and trying to get it in every theater across the world. God no, that would be a money pit. I was thinking more along the lines of a digital release and maybe a slot on netflix like "the guild" featuring Felicia Day has. Other then that, if you're in it for the money, I think you are in it for the wrong reasons.

I was just thinking it would be cool to see a few hundred thousand bucks make it in the hands of a director that could quit his day job for a year or so to devote his time to making a film. And still have some cash left over to pay for any production costs and a few people to help produce the movie. Ian Chrisholm worked his whole films off of favors and free time. Very impressive. I couldn't imagine what Clear skies would have turned out like if he had money to help him along his process. The results would have been staggering given the strong story line in all three films. If only they were a little true to the background workings of the EVE universe. But those were easily overlooked issues based on what he had available.

And you state that you have a script in the works, I really hope you take an honest effort and really comprehend what could be done with kickstarter and how it may help. Please don't just write this post off as coming from a guy that doesn't know anything about anything. Because although that may be true, Take a look again at the films above that made it. They figured it out. I am simply challenging some one that has an equal amount of love for this game and its back story as I do, but are built out of a few more creative bones then me. I also imagine that CCP would be a little more supportive of this idea if someone that really knows what they are doing gets behind this. Look at the support they gave Ian Chrisholm for Clear Skies 3. And with the recent shout out on the news board in the loader, I think they are looking forward to a new fan fiction undertaking again. Imagine if CCP would be willing to help with those incentives awarded to the backers of the project that would effectively cost them little to produce. Such as an in game items.



Did you really just explain how kickstarter works?? Dude, this is 2012, we understand how kickstarter works.


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xxxAlloxxx
Maple Syrup Powered Yeets
#11 - 2012-09-01 07:33:00 UTC
Good idea and to bad your just getting trolled for it. I actually don't know what the legalities would be behind something like this to be honest, Allykat makes a solid argument here. I don't think there would be much issue with a non profit attempt, but then I don't see anyone dedicating any real effort to this with no chance of some kind of profit.

@hoarr > There are a few peeps who don't know about kickstarter. I just learned of the site a few weeks ago 0_o.

I for one would love to see another eve "movie" like clear skies or a continuation of clear skies (He did leave it with them heading into jove space :)).. Anyway best of luck to you and your idea m8 and best of luck to anyone who dos try a shot at this please make sure to post in my eve if it works out.

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#12 - 2012-09-01 10:08:58 UTC
Mac Tir wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:
Mac Tir wrote:
Name one good film based on a computer game.

Think about it.


Resident Evil.

$33mill budget, $102mill gross

AK



Yeah, that was a really thought provoking piece of cinema.


It had guns, Zombies, maniacal bad guys, evil artificial intelligence and a solid female lead who can hold a film together.

For its genre, it ticked all the right boxes.

AK

This space for rent.
Laktos
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-09-01 15:23:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Laktos
AlleyKat wrote:
Mac Tir wrote:
AlleyKat wrote:
Mac Tir wrote:
Name one good film based on a computer game.

Think about it.


Resident Evil.

$33mill budget, $102mill gross

AK



Yeah, that was a really thought provoking piece of cinema.


It had guns, Zombies, maniacal bad guys, evil artificial intelligence and a solid female lead who can hold a film together.

For its genre, it ticked all the right boxes.

AK



Mac Tir wrote:

Yeah, that was a really thought provoking piece of cinema.



@ OP: Cool idea, it would be great to see more story driven film content come out of the eve community. Though it's a tough, time-consuming process tackling a task like that, so I'm inherently sceptical whether it will ever happen except for those occasional circumstances where you have someone as dedicated as the guy who made Clear Skies directing the project (sorry forgotten his name).

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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#14 - 2012-09-01 16:35:29 UTC
Thinking more on this:

I'd rather see a community film not made that had CCP, (or worse) the rest of the community alter it to their liking than otherwise.

I just feel that with so many people involved with the story, the film would lose all identity and individuality.

BUT

I would humbly stand to be corrected, and my ego be damned if wrong.

AK

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gecko1501
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-09-04 02:09:42 UTC
Hoarr wrote:



Did you really just explain how kickstarter works?? Dude, this is 2012, we understand how kickstarter works.


**psssssssssst** There's this cool piece of technology that you can play all your songs on. It's called an ipod. Don't tell anyone though. It's a sekret


You would be surprised how many people don't know about kickstarter. Just because you know something, doesn't mean the whole world does. You either think that you are the last person to learn about everything, which hints at a sad self confidence issue that you should get help on. Or you think because you know it, every one else will (or should) which is a scary issue of an over sized Ego. not to mention. This gentleman, was talking about paying the backers back money. If he HAD known about kickstarter, he would have never made this assumption. So thank you for paying attention to every one else's posts and just jumping in like you know the world.
gecko1501
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-09-04 02:18:03 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Thinking more on this:

I'd rather see a community film not made that had CCP, (or worse) the rest of the community alter it to their liking than otherwise.

I just feel that with so many people involved with the story, the film would lose all identity and individuality.

BUT

I would humbly stand to be corrected, and my ego be damned if wrong.

AK


@AK, @Laktos, and @xxxAlloxxx, thanks for taking this seriously. It's obvious that no matter how much effort or talent you put into something, there will be Nay sayers. But it was once said "throw a rock into a crowd, and the only one that will complain is the one hit" I don't think it really applies, but I have a feeling that there are more people out there that are for this idea that are keeping quite (after all I was aiming this post towards the filmmaker) then there are people that don't like the idea and want to be damn sure the whole world knows.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#17 - 2012-09-04 15:43:04 UTC
Well... I'm not sure which is more accurate, but reckon the following people exist:

Those who want to see an eve online film, based on canon.
Those who want to see an eve online film, based on fanon.

And in terms of monetary value, these factors need to be considered.

It's kind of the clear skies equation; if cs4 was on the table, then people would be more likely to pay for it, even though it isn't canon - if A N Other wished to create a fanon movie, probably not.

With that in mind, I would be surprised if people would hand over money to an 'unknown' with no knowledge of the story. Hence my comments regarding dilution by interested parties who might say stupid stuff like 'make it just like clear skies' or 'that isn't canon/lore' blah blah black sheep.

Ironically, some of these people will be more than happy to hot drop several billion isk of eve assets, with intrinsic RL value equivilant to several months worth of subscription cash.

It's the predator inside all of us, I'm afraid: if the expended energy to capture prey is less than the calorific value the prey yields, you don't give chase.

Ergo; as the quality of an unknown producer is unknowable...

My thoughts on this are deep.

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gecko1501
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-09-07 22:59:20 UTC
AlleyKat wrote:
Well... I'm not sure which is more accurate, but reckon the following people exist:

Those who want to see an eve online film, based on canon.
Those who want to see an eve online film, based on fanon.

And in terms of monetary value, these factors need to be considered.

It's kind of the clear skies equation; if cs4 was on the table, then people would be more likely to pay for it, even though it isn't canon - if A N Other wished to create a fanon movie, probably not.

With that in mind, I would be surprised if people would hand over money to an 'unknown' with no knowledge of the story. Hence my comments regarding dilution by interested parties who might say stupid stuff like 'make it just like clear skies' or 'that isn't canon/lore' blah blah black sheep.

Ironically, some of these people will be more than happy to hot drop several billion isk of eve assets, with intrinsic RL value equivilant to several months worth of subscription cash.

It's the predator inside all of us, I'm afraid: if the expended energy to capture prey is less than the calorific value the prey yields, you don't give chase.

Ergo; as the quality of an unknown producer is unknowable...

My thoughts on this are deep.


Deferentially understand. That was the part of this deal I was worried about. If some one took this up, I would suggest they look at the most successful projects on kickstarter to see how they should make their pilot video. If they could start on the production to make a trailer and get people excited for the end product, then I think it could work. But some projects on there have been massively successful just because they thought the intro video was funny (or at least what it seems to me) Because after watching the video I would find myself confused as to what the project was, but thought the people were cool. I don't know. that's the iffiest part about this whole deal. I was just hoping some one was willing to jump on the idea and run with it. *shrug* probably won't but it was worth the try.
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
#19 - 2012-09-08 09:09:29 UTC
gecko1501 wrote:
Deferentially understand. That was the part of this deal I was worried about. If some one took this up, I would suggest they look at the most successful projects on kickstarter to see how they should make their pilot video. If they could start on the production to make a trailer and get people excited for the end product, then I think it could work. But some projects on there have been massively successful just because they thought the intro video was funny (or at least what it seems to me) Because after watching the video I would find myself confused as to what the project was, but thought the people were cool. I don't know. that's the iffiest part about this whole deal. I was just hoping some one was willing to jump on the idea and run with it. *shrug* probably won't but it was worth the try.


Global economy the way it is? Unlikely.

What EVE needs is more subscribers, what the community needs is a game which is not about to hit its carrying capacity - although a part of me does desire this scenario, because of all of the benefits it would have on New Eden, I know it would end CCP as a company.

Lotka–Volterra

AK

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