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Mining and what to do early on?
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Khermes
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#1 - 2012-08-29 17:43:58 UTC
I'm a fairly new player, although I already own a nice mining ship, Badger Mark II.

I'm near a station that has an agent that gives mining missions. I want to know if it's better for me to do the missions to make ISKs or to just mine and sell for profit.
Jantunen the Infernal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-08-29 18:02:47 UTC
Never ever ever ever ever ever use an industrial like the Badger for mining. Get an Osprey or a mining frig instead while skilling up for ORE mining ships.

As for the income question, I'd probably just keep on mining. The early missions aren't too profitable and you need to work to make ISK from them. If you feel that you're bored of mining I'd suggest that you try different careers, do whatever you like and not worry about ISK too much.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#3 - 2012-08-29 18:13:35 UTC
A mining frigate is the way to go until you train up for a Retriever. For the brand new solo miner, a Retriever is the best thing you could get into and will serve you well until you make the jump into Exhumers.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Khermes
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#4 - 2012-08-29 18:40:04 UTC
Ah thanks for the advice, someone a while ago gave me the Badger for free and told me it was a good ship for mining. I haven't played long time, so I didn't know and took their word for it. Will go get the Osprey, just need to train Caldari Cruisers skill since I don't have that. Looking at the specs I can certainly see why it's a better ship.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#5 - 2012-08-29 18:48:31 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
A mining frigate is the way to go until you train up for a Retriever. For the brand new solo miner, a Retriever is the best thing you could get into and will serve you well until you make the jump into Exhumers.




Note that the Procurer and/or Covetor is also a decent mining ship. They just don't have the carrying capacity that the Retriever has.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-08-29 19:18:30 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Why do I think this is a troll.

Quote:
I'm a fairly new player, although I already own a nice mining ship, Badger Mark II.


Maybe that's why.


Industrial ships are for hauling, not for mining

There are frigates and cruisers that get bonuses to mining yield in each race, and even that frigate with bonuses will out mine your badger.

*Keep in mind, those bonuses will disappear with the winter expansion when CCP will overhaul all frigates. Instead of racial mining frigates there will be a new frigate: ORE Mining frigate. Likely after that they will overhaul all cruisers in their big plans to balance / rework all ships in EVE

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Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#7 - 2012-08-29 19:31:24 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
Pinstar Colton wrote:
A mining frigate is the way to go until you train up for a Retriever. For the brand new solo miner, a Retriever is the best thing you could get into and will serve you well until you make the jump into Exhumers.




Note that the Procurer and/or Covetor is also a decent mining ship. They just don't have the carrying capacity that the Retriever has.



Exactly. I'm making the assumption that the OP is mining solo (else their corp mates would have already told them to ditch the badger). The Retriever is the best miner for the solo miner.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-08-29 20:14:57 UTC
Pinstar Colton wrote:
Velicitia wrote:
Pinstar Colton wrote:
A mining frigate is the way to go until you train up for a Retriever. For the brand new solo miner, a Retriever is the best thing you could get into and will serve you well until you make the jump into Exhumers.




Note that the Procurer and/or Covetor is also a decent mining ship. They just don't have the carrying capacity that the Retriever has.



Exactly. I'm making the assumption that the OP is mining solo (else their corp mates would have already told them to ditch the badger). The Retriever is the best miner for the solo miner.

I'd probably rather pick a Procurer and then a Skiff later on, because I care more about tank than yield or cargo-space. I'd only use the Retriever in an Ice Field, because ice-mining is so mind-numbingly boring without people to chat to, and because the asteroids in belts barely hold any ore, so even semi-AFK mining in belts isn't very lucrative.

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#9 - 2012-08-29 20:43:30 UTC
Quote:
Ah thanks for the advice, someone a while ago gave me the Badger for free and told me it was a good ship for mining.


EVE is a game where someone can play for months or years and still be terrible at it.

The person who told you the Badger was a good mining ship is clearly one of these people.
Khermes
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#10 - 2012-08-29 23:54:15 UTC
I got the Osprey now, but it does seem to have a small cargo space. Would it make sense to to mine then jettison all my stuff, repeat until I have a lot of ore floating around, and then fly back to my badger and come back in it to pick up all the ore and bring it back in one run? At least until I can train up all the skills and earn the ISKs necessary for a mining barge?
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#11 - 2012-08-30 00:16:18 UTC
I too mined in a Badger MkII... it was like beating a bear to death with a sponge... Long, painful and ultimately futile...

If you are going to jetcan:
Expect to lose a percentage of ore to flippers... don't shoot them... you will die.
And make sure you pick up your jetcans before they expire (2 hours I think).

If not, fit for cargo on your osprey and ferry back and forth...

Get into a mining barge ASAP if you want to make it an ongoing concern.

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Khermes
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#12 - 2012-08-30 00:31:44 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:

Get into a mining barge ASAP if you want to make it an ongoing concern.


I'm trying but I still need to train Astrogeology to 3 and then Mining Barge, so that will take a day or so. Got to keep busy in the mean time :)
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#13 - 2012-08-30 00:57:24 UTC
Khermes wrote:
Raiz Nhell wrote:

Get into a mining barge ASAP if you want to make it an ongoing concern.


I'm trying but I still need to train Astrogeology to 3 and then Mining Barge, so that will take a day or so. Got to keep busy in the mean time :)



Mission... that'll bring your standing up so you get a better refine %

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-08-30 02:07:25 UTC
If your set on jetcan mining then dont just drop them all over the place. They have a rediculous amount of cargo space...fill it up, then come back in the badger for retrieval. Also consider naming the can "bait" or something like that. It won't deter all the can flippers, just the dumb ones. One more thing. When mining in a frigate or cruiser, don't use mining drones. Your yeild will be better if you use lasers and combat drones for the rats...or just join a damn mining corp. They will help you with ships, fits, advise, protection from rats and flippers as well as take you out into low/null/w-space for the good stuff.
Raiz Nhell
PeregrineXII
#15 - 2012-08-30 02:31:36 UTC
Also try and keep you drones in the bay...
Nothing screams target like 5 mining drones, an Osprey and a jetcan on Dscan...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Keno Skir
#16 - 2012-08-30 03:04:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Keno Skir
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
If your set on jetcan mining then dont just drop them all over the place. They have a rediculous amount of cargo space...fill it up, then come back in the badger for retrieval. Also consider naming the can "bait" or something like that. It won't deter all the can flippers, just the dumb ones. One more thing. When mining in a frigate or cruiser, don't use mining drones. Your yeild will be better if you use lasers and combat drones for the rats...or just join a damn mining corp. They will help you with ships, fits, advise, protection from rats and flippers as well as take you out into low/null/w-space for the good stuff.


If i see cans called bait, it makes me think "if it was bait, it wouldn't be called bait". Like that guy i keep seeing with a freighter called GANK BAIT.. Always says "please dont shoot me, i am clueless" to me :P

Nice sig Raiz Nhell, as i remember in "Murphy's Rules of Combat" it goes - If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't make a good enough plan" right above "No plan survives initial contact, intact" :D

EDIT : Also +1 to anyone who already said NEVER MINE IN AN INDUSTRIAL. They are correct, it's not an opinion either. Read and compare the stats of possible ships, then you wont have to just ask someone else whats best ship for everything. It's all there in black n white.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2012-08-30 03:32:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Khermes wrote:
I got the Osprey now, but it does seem to have a small cargo space. Would it make sense to to mine then jettison all my stuff, repeat until I have a lot of ore floating around, and then fly back to my badger and come back in it to pick up all the ore and bring it back in one run? At least until I can train up all the skills and earn the ISKs necessary for a mining barge?

This was my Osprey. Note the tractor beam, which I used to drag a jetcan behind me.

When the jetcan was full, I'd bookmark the jetcan (IMPORTANT!), then warp back to the station get into a Bestower (better than a Badger Mark II and takes less than half a day to train for), then warp back to the bookmark, and haul the ore back to the station.

I had my jetcan stolen twice. One of those times, I got most of the ore back: align to station at full speed (Station Jetcan You), scoop flipped can [i.e. steal it back], and hit warp immediately to insta-warp, and don't undock for 15 minutes to let timer expire.

[Osprey, Basic]
Co-Processor II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II

Large Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I
Upgraded Kinetic Deflection Amplifier I
Upgraded Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I
Medium Clarity Ward Booster I

Small Tractor Beam I
Miner II
Miner II
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Medium Cargohold Optimization I
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Keno Skir
#18 - 2012-08-30 03:53:05 UTC
Why cargo rigs if you plan to jetcan?

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#19 - 2012-08-30 04:47:52 UTC
Keno Skir wrote:
Why cargo rigs if you plan to jetcan?

The ore goes into your cargohold first.

Unless you enjoy constantly dragging ore to the jetcan and risking carpal tunnel syndrome.
Ham Akachi
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-08-30 11:58:11 UTC
You're welcome to join me and my fleet to make some money. I often take new miners out mining, and split the ore on a per ship basis. Feel free to give me a yell ingame.
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