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EVE Online: A game or a way of life? At what point is it to much?

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Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#21 - 2012-08-29 07:42:59 UTC
If it becomes a central focus for someone it's not to good as one just let's life pass by playing a video game, with non tangible rewards. There's lots to do, learn and experience in life. A game is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Same thing could be said for starring at a TV all day.
Fedor Trillaby
Sankaku Solutions
#22 - 2012-08-29 07:49:04 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-08-29 07:59:24 UTC
A person is only qualified to judge that for themselves. Anything else is pretentious and lame.

pussnheels
Viziam
#24 - 2012-08-29 08:39:42 UTC
Maybe it is time the OP takes a break before burning out completely or turning into a asocial basement dweller
When you return and you will return you will eveb enjoy this game even morez

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2012-08-29 08:40:25 UTC
Compared to other MMOs this game is hilariously low-effort once you get past the steep learning curve. CCP didn't even pretend the grind was about anything other than money, letting you train skills passively. That alone means this game is actually less of a black-hole for my life than anything else. I sit around and wait for a frigate fleet broadcast, or if I need money I set aside a couple of hours to shoot at space pirates.

99% of this game is sitting inside a station. If that's a lifestyle for you, you're not playing this game the right way.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#26 - 2012-08-29 11:27:32 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
I sit around and wait for a frigate fleet broadcast, or if I need money I set aside a couple of hours to shoot at space pirates.

99% of this game is sitting inside a station. If that's a lifestyle for you, you're not playing this game the right way.


Ah, the life of a little bee.

What you described is like logging into a Chess Online game and always playing just one pawn, waiting for someone to move you.

99% is a relevant number, but it is how much of the game of Eve you're missing out on. :)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.

Domer Pyle
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-08-29 11:44:41 UTC
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
Compared to other MMOs this game is hilariously low-effort once you get past the steep learning curve. CCP didn't even pretend the grind was about anything other than money, letting you train skills passively. That alone means this game is actually less of a black-hole for my life than anything else. I sit around and wait for a frigate fleet broadcast, or if I need money I set aside a couple of hours to shoot at space pirates.

99% of this game is sitting inside a station. If that's a lifestyle for you, you're not playing this game the right way.


this. so much this. i log on, read mission chat, maybe run a couple missions, then log off and do something else. easy. sure, sometimes this changes a bit, but it's largely the same every time i log on.

"Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known. Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door. If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator? You never remembered who it was that closed you in." - Ior Labron

Norian Lonark
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-08-29 13:06:10 UTC
A very high level breakdown of a typical week for me:

37.5 hours at work
56 hours sleeping
14 hours sport training

So that's leaving me with around 60 hours before taking into account any-time for eating, washing doing household tasks spending time with the family or nights out / social events.

I would find it impossible to spend 100+ hours a week in game and personally think that doing so would be detrimental.




Start wide, expand further, and never look back

IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-08-29 15:03:43 UTC
Methesda wrote:
I'm sure this has been said about any obsession: but obsession itself is not healthy.

Eve is an obsession if you do it to the exclusion of your own health, relationships, or happiness.

In short, if you aren't forming good relationships around you, because you have to go fleet, or you are not eating because you can't pull yourself away for long enough than to cook yourself a meal, or you simply are playing but feeling like you are getting knowhere, then you are on the unhealthy side.

There is nothing wrong with playing 100 hours in a week per se. Just remember that in years to come, when Eve is dead and buried, you'll look back on your life and consider what you've achieved...

Me personally, I play about 10 hours a week. I have a beautiful 7 month old baby girl, and I love her to pieces. She is the best thing I've done in my life. If I where to wake up one morning and realise that I'd rather be playing Eve than with her, I know something is deeply wrong with my head. That's an extreme circumstance, but put it in context. Have you considered what you want from your life recently? Do you have a '5 year plan'? Is Eve-time getting in the way of that?

On that note, I'd also like to point out that I used to play a lot. But then I decided I wanted to do something else. Let me tell you - You can't achieve much in 10 hours a week in Eve BUT, its still hella fun. I think a lot of people miss a key point - I've used it in another thread today. Eve isn't about being the richest, or having the biggest ship. It's about the journey. That journey can be taken with 1 million in your wallet, or 1 billion. That journey can be taken with 10 quality hours a week, or 100 hours. It's just as fun. Trust me.


This is a solid post and I totally agree with it. I play around 10-15 hours a week. Rarely when the kids are around, and never if there is something else I need to be doing. However, if its a choice between sitting on my ass watching TV or doing something in EVE. I know what I'd rather be doing. Big smile I've had the conversation with my wife where she has indicated she'd like to see me more. Big smile

Its a balancing act. The way I know I'm doing okay is that I don't *need* to play this game. I like playing this game. Lately I've really gotten into Small Gang PvP and I find that I'm enjoying even more. Still not a need.

"Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."   --H.L. Mencken
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#30 - 2012-08-29 16:01:19 UTC
Az Tek wrote:
So my question, I assume, is pretty straight forward; At what point is it to much?


I'd say, when it starts effecting your personal life. There are so many possible examples, but the best i think would be your partner leaving you because you're playing eve WAAAY to much. Shocked

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  

Nobler
Mission Ready Mining
Fly Fearless
#31 - 2012-08-29 16:58:13 UTC
I can confirm - that too much EVE- will leave you in Divorce court paying child support. Which I ended up unsubbing - and using the time i spent on EVE at the gym which got me 70 pounds lighter, and a better wife that likes video games, and finally able to re-sub again hopefully not to have history repeat itself.
Dennis Gregs
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-08-29 18:43:52 UTC
Fedor Trillaby wrote:

What the actual **** did I just listen to?
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-08-29 18:45:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
I would say it really depends on how you see what you do in EVE. The perception is very different if it's "just a game" for you, or if you see it as a hobby you want to take somewhere. Some people spend days cycling or trekking or fixing old cars or collecting antiques - I don't see how for instance leading an alliance of a thousand people in EVE is any different.

Perhaps a good comparison would be to compare an EVE corporation or alliance to a football team. To outsiders both are "just a game". But for people in the know and the team leaders and obviously even the "pawns" it can be their life choice.

EVE is in this context actually quite different from other MMOs. What you do isn't just for your personal enjoyment. You don't live in your private little bubble, everyone inhabits the same universe together. If you choose so, your actions can have a strong positive (or negative) impact on other people.

So, at which point is it too much? I don't know. At which point is spending time collecting antiques too much? At which point is working your day job too much? At which point is spending time with your family too much? I don't think there is any clear line. How one chooses to spend their 24 hours a day is entirely their choice, and I don't think it's our place to tell others whether their choice is right or wrong.
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#34 - 2012-08-29 19:14:48 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
You will never see this in WOW - http://i48.tinypic.com/731d1l.jpg

(Gem that was posted in one of the channels just now. It's a bug)



You used to. But then they added Warden.
Skorpynekomimi
#35 - 2012-08-29 19:48:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Skorpynekomimi
Meh. It's not an obsession. I can quit anytime I want, but I'd just come back to it.

I like EVE. I've wanted to play it since it came out. I like the no-safety, real-economy nature of it. I like the gigantic sandbox to blow stuff up and craft and recycle and everything. And I have stuff that's nifty and it's mine. I earned it, or built it.
I put in as much effort as I want, and get out what I put in. Maintenance is a few minutes a day or so for skill queues.
The only thing that stops me putting more in is time and energy. If I got paid to EVE, I wouldn't want to do anything else.

Oh, and SPACESHIPS. Fantasy can go sodomise itself, I love sci-fi. Spaceships and space stations and space battles. And now ORBITAL BOMBARDMENTS. I want to carve a gigantic sexual organ into a planet. Laser my name into a moon. Roll into system, unload a pile of ammo onto combatants, roll out again.

Economic PVP

Russell Casey
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-08-29 21:00:41 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
When you try and "Warp to 0" on the fridge to get a beer... time to log off...

But seriously...
I don't think of myself as a hardcore player... but I tend to be online a great deal and I take a great deal of notice in changes and mechanics...

I think the difference is not in logged in hours or style of play... Just ask yourself this question:
You have finally fleeted up for a great roam/battle you've been waiting ages for... FC says "Jump", significant other says "come to the hot-tub"...
In that answer you'll find whether your obsessive or normal :)




Go enjoy the tub for a couple hours while the Fleet sits at a POS trying to get that sweet 5:1 ratio all pro FCs get before engaging.
Tiberius StarGazer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-08-29 21:10:18 UTC
I'll confess I have mega obsessive personality, but I guess I could be out drinking.

I am at the moment spending 40+ hours a week on this game.

But I found a strange side effect. My progression in the game, which is managing a mining corp and making mega profit and the buzz I get from that is spilling over into my day job.

For months I have been unfocused at my day job, which is looking after some 400 small businesses, to suddenly being focused.

My obsession in calculating profit margins and mining quotas means I'm also thinking about it in my job.

EVE, despite my quite silly hours, it's having a positive effect in my life.
Almox
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-08-29 21:54:39 UTC
I'm not a morning person but once awake I'm fine...

I changed my alarm clock sound on my iPhone to the 'Eve targeting' sound and now I wake up fast lol

That noise gets me moving lol - so +1 for eve keeping me in a job ...

I would say I'm 'logged on' every night but playing is about 50% of that depending on what is happening. There's always the social side I enjoy the most and plenty of admin at a corp level

Just keep a balance and every now and then take a couple days off
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-08-29 22:14:16 UTC
Az Tek wrote:
So my question, I assume, is pretty straight forward; At what point is it to much. 'It' being the game players obsession over the game. There are many different types, groups, and or categories of gamers (Or all being one in the same) however for the sake of typing (on my phone) we'll use just two. Casual gamers and hardcore gamers.

Now the word obsession may not be the right word to use. Any game can be addictive, some more than others. I'm speaking in general terms. Another word may be more appropriate; I'm referring to the game players drive and 'motivation'. At what point is playing too much. This being the amount of time your playing. Can you get 'too' involved in this/any game? What defines too much or too involved? Obviously this is a loaded question not based on any facts, except only comparatively maybe, and one completely based on opinion.

I know some players who will log maybe 5 hours a week of game play (casual gamers) whereas I know others who have logged more than 40+ (hardcore gamers) I myself have logged over 100+ hours in a single week. A few times I even spent my entire weekend, waking up Friday morning and not going to sleep until Sunday night, playing EVE. I've logged some crazy hours in EVE yet I've met a few others who have logged more. So what makes the difference between a hardcore gamer and one morbidly obsessed? (If there is such a thing)

Example: I know a guy who made flash cards of EACH and every ship in eve as well as drones and mods to memorize dmg types, attributes, etc, to better understand game mechanics. I personally see nothing wrong with this and got copies of said flash cards. Ofc they helped. Knowing all these things in advance and not having to seek references prior to commiting to an engagement are truly helpful.

However, it being helpful or not is neither the issue or concern. It's whether or not this level of commitment to a game is good or bad, or healthy or unhealthy etc, etc,. I'm only curious because me (hardcore EVE player), a friend (casual EVE player), and my mom (hardcore WOW player) were discussing it and I wanted some outside input. Sorry for the length and feel free to comment or troll. Thanks.


Obsession is the perfect word, there is only one other game out there like EVE and perpetuum just doesn't cut it after you start liking EVE. Once you like eve you start looking for other games like it and you realize there really isn't any.

The LULZ Boat.

Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#40 - 2012-08-30 05:04:15 UTC
pussnheels wrote:
Maybe it is time the OP takes a break before burning out completely or turning into a asocial basement dweller. When you return and you will return you will eveb enjoy this game even morez


Well to be honest I've not played in close to two months due to my current situation. I just log In and Que up skills.

Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I would say it really depends on how you see what you do in EVE. The perception is very different if it's "just a game" for you, or if you see it as a hobby you want to take somewhere. Some people spend days cycling or trekking or fixing old cars or collecting antiques - I don't see how for instance leading an alliance of a thousand people in EVE is any different.

Perhaps a good comparison would be to compare an EVE corporation or alliance to a football team. To outsiders both are "just a game". But for people in the know and the team leaders and obviously even the "pawns" it can be their life choice.

EVE is in this context actually quite different from other MMOs. What you do isn't just for your personal enjoyment. You don't live in your private little bubble, everyone inhabits the same universe together. If you choose so, your actions can have a strong positive (or negative) impact on other people.

So, at which point is it too much? I don't know. At which point is spending time collecting antiques too much? At which point is working your day job too much? At which point is spending time with your family too much? I don't think there is any clear line. How one chooses to spend their 24 hours a day is entirely their choice, and I don't think it's our place to tell others whether their choice is right or wrong.


Yeah I agree. And this is my point. Everyone has hobbies. Some ppl are more into hobbies than others. For me this game provides both fun and networking. I have met a lot of really cool ppl here and made some real life friends. This game has nev3 ruined any of my relationships, has never messed up work for me, any has never caused issues for me in pretty much any way at all. I'm very anti social and early meet new ppl in el so prey much all the ppl I talk to I meet on this game.

Not enough time to explain to following statement so don't make assumptions from it as you'll most likely be pretty far off, but I am homeless. Or maybe a better term is vagabond, or traveler, or w/e lol. I'm 24 and been on the road for many many years. Before I was 18. Been this way sense the first time I left out for the road/rails. The only friends or anything for that matter that has stayed a constant in my life has come from EVE. So in that sense I can justify my lvl of 'use' lol.

I'll end on this note, as previously stated EVE is no different than a sports hobby. There are some who spend hours upon hours and days on end training. They enjoy it. I enjoy this.

Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang

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