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EVE Online: A game or a way of life? At what point is it to much?

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Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#1 - 2012-08-29 03:16:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Az Tek
So my question, I assume, is pretty straight forward; At what point is it to much. 'It' being the game players obsession over the game. There are many different types, groups, and or categories of gamers (Or all being one in the same) however for the sake of typing (on my phone) we'll use just two. Casual gamers and hardcore gamers.

Now the word obsession may not be the right word to use. Any game can be addictive, some more than others. I'm speaking in general terms. Another word may be more appropriate; I'm referring to the game players drive and 'motivation'. At what point is playing too much. This being the amount of time your playing. Can you get 'too' involved in this/any game? What defines too much or too involved? Obviously this is a loaded question not based on any facts, except only comparatively maybe, and one completely based on opinion.

I know some players who will log maybe 5 hours a week of game play (casual gamers) whereas I know others who have logged more than 40+ (hardcore gamers) I myself have logged over 100+ hours in a single week. A few times I even spent my entire weekend, waking up Friday morning and not going to sleep until Sunday night, playing EVE. I've logged some crazy hours in EVE yet I've met a few others who have logged more. So what makes the difference between a hardcore gamer and one morbidly obsessed? (If there is such a thing)

Example: I know a guy who made flash cards of EACH and every ship in eve as well as drones and mods to memorize dmg types, attributes, etc, to better understand game mechanics. I personally see nothing wrong with this and got copies of said flash cards. Ofc they helped. Knowing all these things in advance and not having to seek references prior to commiting to an engagement are truly helpful.

However, it being helpful or not is neither the issue or concern. It's whether or not this level of commitment to a game is good or bad, or healthy or unhealthy etc, etc,. I'm only curious because me (hardcore EVE player), a friend (casual EVE player), and my mom (hardcore WOW player) were discussing it and I wanted some outside input. Sorry for the length and feel free to comment or troll. Thanks.

Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#2 - 2012-08-29 03:19:13 UTC
To what? there's plenty already...

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#3 - 2012-08-29 03:23:43 UTC
Webvan wrote:
To what? there's plenty already...


I do not understand your question.... At all...

Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang

Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-08-29 03:24:56 UTC
When you try and "Warp to 0" on the fridge to get a beer... time to log off...

But seriously...
I don't think of myself as a hardcore player... but I tend to be online a great deal and I take a great deal of notice in changes and mechanics...

I think the difference is not in logged in hours or style of play... Just ask yourself this question:
You have finally fleeted up for a great roam/battle you've been waiting ages for... FC says "Jump", significant other says "come to the hot-tub"...
In that answer you'll find whether your obsessive or normal :)


There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#5 - 2012-08-29 03:28:11 UTC
I would say that the whole flash card thing might indicate a rather over zealous approach to what should be a simple pastime and a way to spend a relaxing evening in front of the computer.

But that's just me.

Mr Epeen Cool
Methesda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-08-29 03:30:24 UTC
I'm sure this has been said about any obsession: but obsession itself is not healthy.

Eve is an obsession if you do it to the exclusion of your own health, relationships, or happiness.

In short, if you aren't forming good relationships around you, because you have to go fleet, or you are not eating because you can't pull yourself away for long enough than to cook yourself a meal, or you simply are playing but feeling like you are getting knowhere, then you are on the unhealthy side.

There is nothing wrong with playing 100 hours in a week per se. Just remember that in years to come, when Eve is dead and buried, you'll look back on your life and consider what you've achieved...

Me personally, I play about 10 hours a week. I have a beautiful 7 month old baby girl, and I love her to pieces. She is the best thing I've done in my life. If I where to wake up one morning and realise that I'd rather be playing Eve than with her, I know something is deeply wrong with my head. That's an extreme circumstance, but put it in context. Have you considered what you want from your life recently? Do you have a '5 year plan'? Is Eve-time getting in the way of that?

On that note, I'd also like to point out that I used to play a lot. But then I decided I wanted to do something else. Let me tell you - You can't achieve much in 10 hours a week in Eve BUT, its still hella fun. I think a lot of people miss a key point - I've used it in another thread today. Eve isn't about being the richest, or having the biggest ship. It's about the journey. That journey can be taken with 1 million in your wallet, or 1 billion. That journey can be taken with 10 quality hours a week, or 100 hours. It's just as fun. Trust me.

Eve is about the journey.  If you are so focused on making money, that you insist on having the tools to make it be made as autonomous and easy as possible, then you are never going to have as much fun as I will.

Elli M0o
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-08-29 03:34:37 UTC
I'd say it depends on what is your stage in RL is..

Me, I am hardcore eve player. I realised long ago that eve is going to be my downfall if ever i have one. I have an important exam (life altering you'd say) in 3 days and still couldnt resist logging in and sitting in station or being on TS.

In some ways, I am glad that i got addicted to eve and not something else. In my personal observation, eve has the ability to sensitise us to many RL failures. I learned not to blame the fc or game mechanic if i lose something in eve and that helped me have a good perspective on things. Eve is very harsh and unforgiving and the nature rubs off on us that when something goes wrong for me in RL i start thinking about what i could do better to avoid that next time and spend less time blaming it on others.

I am sure everyone learns this at some point but i think eve forced me into that way of thought much sooner than i couldve done on my own.

I am still unsure if that is an advantage or disadvantage though.

Sturmwolke
#8 - 2012-08-29 04:05:06 UTC
It's a hobby. The interest can wax and wane depending on RL.
Long term players learn to account for this.

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#9 - 2012-08-29 04:27:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Elli M0o wrote:
In some ways, I am glad that i got addicted to eve and not something else. In my personal observation, eve has the ability to sensitise us to many RL failures. I learned not to blame the fc or game mechanic if i lose something in eve and that helped me have a good perspective on things. Eve is very harsh and unforgiving and the nature rubs off on us that when something goes wrong for me in RL i start thinking about what i could do better to avoid that next time and spend less time blaming it on others.

I am sure everyone learns this at some point but i think eve forced me into that way of thought much sooner than i couldve done on my own.

I am still unsure if that is an advantage or disadvantage though.

I can't help but think of any newbie as being overwhelmingly adorable, even before I meet them.

We haven't had a big group of cute newbies recently, we need more.
Sturmwolke wrote:
It's a hobby. The interest can wax and wane depending on RL.
Long term players learn to account for this.

On the one hand, the people that fuel the JBs and work our alliance moons disappear for long periods of time and then return.

And then you have Boat, who never tires of shooting structures. Ever, really.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

stoicfaux
#10 - 2012-08-29 04:37:53 UTC
Meh, Eve players aren't hardcore enough for there to be concern about whether they play "too much."

Documented deaths due to Online Game Addictions

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Sturmwolke
#11 - 2012-08-29 04:41:43 UTC
You will never see this in WOW - http://i48.tinypic.com/731d1l.jpg

(Gem that was posted in one of the channels just now. It's a bug)
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#12 - 2012-08-29 05:37:24 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
whether they play "too much."

Oh! I understand the thread now! hahaha-hahaha-hahaha... yeah whatever.

now that I have time.... *pulls up google* I know what I'm looking for...

Child starved to death
"After a long gaming session, the childs parents , dad Kim Yoo-chul, 41, and mum Choi Mi-sun 25 came home to find their daughter dead. "

3 day mmo session
"According to preliminary findings, the length of time this man spent online might have triggered heart problems"

Guy playing lol dead 9 hours unnoticed at internet cafe

"It's easy to get absorbed in a game, but it's another thing entirely to be so absorbed that you don't notice the guy next to you has died. ...his corpse, sitting rigidly in the chair with his hands still stretching toward the computer."

Scam? Bah! just pull a gun ...sort of
"When the collecting party demurred, the teen pulled a fake gun and coerced the collector to call their partner and arrange to transfer the virtual currency."

pvp and permadeath in Moscow
"Man charged with beating fellow Lineage II MMORPG player to death"


EVE has been really tame in comparison. It goes on and on and on, it's just crazy. I hear it all the time in indie dev circles and some mmo news sites that report it at times. Shoot, early on I thought it was crazy for UO castles to sell $1k+ on ebay.
...no don't shoot! heh

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Dennis Gregs
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-08-29 05:50:01 UTC
It is never "too much" when it comes to something that you enjoy. Unless you've reached the point where you can't live anymore, be it because you don't have a job, or because you're forgetting to eat.
Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#14 - 2012-08-29 05:51:45 UTC
Webvan wrote:

EVE has been really tame in comparison. It goes on and on and on, it's just crazy. I hear it all the time in indie dev circles and some mmo news sites that report it at times. Shoot, early on I thought it was crazy for UO castles to sell $1k+ on ebay.
...no don't shoot! heh


Lol I had forgot about the castles.. *sighs* such a long time ago..

Raiz Nhell wrote:
I think the difference is not in logged in hours or style of play... Just ask yourself this question:
You have finally fleeted up for a great roam/battle you've been waiting ages for... FC says "Jump", significant other says "come to the hot-tub"...
In that answer you'll find whether your obsessive or normal :)


Well if I told you I never passed something like this up to play eve I'd be lying.

However, EVE doesn't mess my relationships up at all. Its not a problem or anything. Just the time played I feel may be excessive sometimes. Doesn't effect work either etc etc.

I did lose a girl friend over UO tho. Lol.

Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang

bbb2020
Carebears with Attitude
#15 - 2012-08-29 05:56:39 UTC
I'll say; ask one og the CSMs.
Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#16 - 2012-08-29 05:56:57 UTC
Dennis Gregs wrote:
It is never "too much" when it comes to something that you enjoy. Unless you've reached the point where you can't live anymore, be it because you don't have a job, or because you're forgetting to eat.


Haha yeah, no I eat, bath, lol and yes I enjoy it, That's how I justify it. Everyone has a hobby they like. My thing is just the amount of time I put into it. But also another reason I put so much time in it is cause I have the time. My job is to sit in front of a pc and pretty much do nothing. So the 8 hours I'm at work 7 are spent on eve. So I guess that's why its so much. Or feels like so much.

Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang

Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-08-29 05:59:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Matriarch Prime
If passions align with your dreams and goals, which are themselves healthy and proportionate, then they are good.

I think games like EvE and other MMOs can help players find community when options are few, or otherwise limited. I think that is always healthy to want to connect with others. Some may feel like they would be a better community member if they understand the game better, and if flashs help that person do that, the by all means, flash card away.

Games have brought people together for centuries. Play and healthy competition is in our blood. It is what gives us goal to occuipe what would otherwise be idle time, or an idle mind. We play to learn, because that is what a good game does, it teaches things we didn't know about the world or ourselves. When you stop learning you stop playing, and learning is good. :)

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!

Josef Djugashvilis
#18 - 2012-08-29 06:46:42 UTC
My family take the view that my even having a Eve account means that I play a 'silly kids game' too much.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#19 - 2012-08-29 07:06:01 UTC
Too much would be when your real life starts to suffer, however if your way of life is eve then there's no such thing as too much haha

But really if you're worried, then you're probably playing too much and should take a break.

/c

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Az Tek
Overheat.Everything
#20 - 2012-08-29 07:06:09 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
My family take the view that my even having a Eve account means that I play a 'silly kids game' too much.


Ouch. I'm blessed with a gaming family. Both my sis (wow) and bro (eve) play games. As does my mom (wow/D3) and step siblings.

Fight, Fly, Crow... Bangerang

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