EVE General Discussion

For the record I am not hiding in an NPC corp. But everyone in the corp stopped playing the game (including me, though I come back and play a little here and there) and they even promoted me to CEO.

HA ! Me. A CEO. That's a hoot.

Anyway, I don't see why people take issue with this aspect. there is plenty to do in the game. Let some people have their casual play. People like me. I like to come in a fly around a little bit, make a little money and poke around. I do take issue with bots. but so what if some people like to shoot rocks. Let em.

Millions won't leave. I would. Many others that I know would. But, our impact on CCP's income wouldn't be very severe.
So, please don't take that statement as doom and gloom.
I do however, want you to consider what will happen to all the alts of those null-sec dwellers, pirates, etc.
Those alts completely lose their functionality.
Some if not most of those alts are on seperate accounts. What happens to those accounts?

Millions won't leave, but enough will be canceled to make a difference. Dismissing this point doesn't make it invalid. It would have to be considered by CCP. To try and be more clear, it probably won't be a huge impact, but it will be noticable.

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Saying it isn't targeted at new players isn't 100% the truth. It still affects them. Just because someone has 30 days worth of time and skills trained doesn't mean they played 24/7 and learned everything. At 30 days some people may only have 20 or 30 hours and that isn't enough to learn the skills required to survive in the shark tank.

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I'm not quite sure I understand the last part of your statement. But, safeish does stand out to me.
I don't expect to be safe, not even in the NPC corp. Or in Empire.
When I play I am constantly on D-Scan and watching local for people I've marked as hostile. (for whatever reason they may have given me in the past)
I can still be ganked.
Sure, 15% tax or whatever it is to not be war dec'd doesn't seem like much to you. I'd pay 50% if I had to.
But I don't have the time to play in the style you folks are saying I should play.

Eve is a great game, I enjoy it my way. In the NPC corp, I try to help new players. Steer them away from making the same newbie mistakes that I made. And honestly, I'm still a newb.

What I was trying to say and reading it again it may be poorly worded. Is after a set amount of time this can be decided by people smarter then myself people in the starter corp would be moved into or better would make the player choose what NPC corp they would like to join so they have a little choice on what faction that are aligning themselves with. I think this is fair as you might roll a gal pilot but spend all your time in Caldari space so lets not punish people for that. After you are put into the 2nd NPC corp you are apart of the faction warfare of the corp you chose. Now if you don't want to be bothered you can stay deep inside of the higher security status system of your faction to rat or mine or mission all you like in relative safety but there are ways that if players choose to they can effect you without having to resort to griefing or anther method that people complain about.

I hope that better explains what I was thinking

@Mlrple, thank you for the clarification. I'll have to think about that for a bit. But, at first glance that seems ok.

@Vincent Athena - That is a very interesting concept. They would have to make sure the reciprical nerf wasn't so harsh that new players struggle to get anywhere with mining.
Would this also have an effect on missioning? Also any of the other professions?

If it only hit mining, that brings it in line with the current trend of GD trying to erradicate mining from the game.
I trust that isn't your intention?

You're not.

Mr Epeen

How about just leave the poor miners alone for now. They are in one of the lowest ISK per hour professions as it is.

But with ring mining in the cards, perhaps CCP can come up with module that only a corp can put up or fit in it's ships to be able to participate. That way you are not dicking with the crap that NPC miners are hauling in but allowing a new (and more lucrative) world to open up for those that are willing to take the small risk of making a little corp to call their own.

The problem with most of you entitled whiners is that the word 'force' keeps drooling out of your festering pie holes. Do any of you even know what 'incentive' means?

Mr Epeen

Because I am a builder. I have multiple billion ISK buy orders in multiple high sec systems for all the local ores and refined minerals that come from them. For the most part I am paying the highest as well. So everyone... every single person mining is selling all their ore to my buy orders. The exception being those that are filling their corps POSes. But that's not even part of the NPC miner hate equation so can be ignored.

I can tell you, based on my transaction record, who's mining, how many hours they are mining for and how much they are making an hour.

These are not your hypothetical fleets of Exhumer asteroid death squads, they are your average Joe. The typical player, not the idealized ones y'all are coming up with. They are just trying to pay for some game time or a bigger ship. And trust me, they mine long hours for relatively little ISK.

BIG EDIT: Since there is nothing easier than coming in to a forum and just making stuff up. Here are a few screenies to let you know I'm not just blowing smoke.

So we start with a buy order. Then the miners start selling thier stuff. I should note that the larger transactions are from pilots freightering stuff in from neighboring systems. The small ones are the local miners.

Then off to the refinery, followed by the factory and the resulting product. A builder doesn't have 60 billion plus in a hangar without extensive and intimate interaction with the miners.

So when I say I know they aren't making much, I speak from experience.

Mr Epeen

Theres a reason most people in MMOs DONT join guilds/corps/clans/etc

Not really. I'm sure they'd just make a bunch of 1 man corps and dissolve em if anything happened.

Yeah, noobs with a fleet of macks, and an Orca booster. Why don't our newbies come with those?

I am still missing the point of why miners in NPC corps need to be wardecable?