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Soloing Medium Plexes?

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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-08-28 21:46:17 UTC
I finally felt I had enough skill to at least give medium plexes a shot. I bought and Omen and fit it. With my skills it has around 20k EHP with a small repper to fix the scratches and does about 250 DPS with scorch. I figured soloing mediums in a cruiser would be about like soloing minors in a frigate. Not even CLOSE! Had to warp out twice with only killing two enemy cruisers. Are mediums not meant to be soloed?
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#2 - 2012-08-28 21:54:55 UTC
A low-skill 1600mm Arbitrator with Valkyrie IIs can solo the medium Outposts at the button, but with structure damage at the end. A low-skill active Crusader can solo them given much more time. An active AB Executioner or Tormentor can speed tank them by orbiting at 19k and running the repper on occasion. Only the Crusader can fight a wt under the rats.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2012-08-28 21:55:39 UTC
What 'plexes' are you trying to run? There are many types of complex in Eve, how to run them depends on what type they are. If you're talking about FW plexes, as I'm guessing you are, all you need is a frig with an AB.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-08-28 21:57:06 UTC
Kuehnelt wrote:
A low-skill 1600mm Arbitrator with Valkyrie IIs can solo the medium Outposts at the button, but with structure damage at the end. A low-skill active Crusader can solo them given much more time. An active AB Executioner or Tormentor can speed tank them by orbiting at 19k and running the repper on occasion. Only the Crusader can fight a wt under the rats.


Yeah i really didn't want to speed tank them because I'm there for a fight as much as I'm there for LP. Think I'll go back to flying frigates and doing minors until CCP makes some major changes.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-08-28 22:17:03 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Kuehnelt wrote:
A low-skill 1600mm Arbitrator with Valkyrie IIs can solo the medium Outposts at the button, but with structure damage at the end. A low-skill active Crusader can solo them given much more time. An active AB Executioner or Tormentor can speed tank them by orbiting at 19k and running the repper on occasion. Only the Crusader can fight a wt under the rats.


Yeah i really didn't want to speed tank them because I'm there for a fight as much as I'm there for LP. Think I'll go back to flying frigates and doing minors until CCP makes some major changes.


You have to be able to project damage at range quickly. A rail thorax destroys mediums. I have used armor and passive shield. You will bleed into armor with the shield fit. You will have to turn on the repper exactly once in the armor fit. A beam omen should work fine, but I will admit I am no laser expert.

Vexor or arbitrator work also. You will just need some kind of small repper if you don't want to dock between every plex. Don't use medium drones - they are too slow. Warriors or hobgoblins are best.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#6 - 2012-08-28 22:42:42 UTC
But although speed-tanking isn't ideal, you can still get fights by waiting for them to get on grid and then warp to an obvious celestial.

... it's not fun to flub this and get pointed in the plex, though. And some militia enemies will ignore you and go sit on the button.
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
#7 - 2012-08-28 23:27:31 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Kuehnelt wrote:
A low-skill 1600mm Arbitrator with Valkyrie IIs can solo the medium Outposts at the button, but with structure damage at the end. A low-skill active Crusader can solo them given much more time. An active AB Executioner or Tormentor can speed tank them by orbiting at 19k and running the repper on occasion. Only the Crusader can fight a wt under the rats.


Yeah i really didn't want to speed tank them because I'm there for a fight as much as I'm there for LP. Think I'll go back to flying frigates and doing minors until CCP makes some major changes.


A fight? If you're looking for a PvP fight, forget these plexes 'cause you can just go find a fight. If you're looking for a solo PvE fight, don't do content designed for multiple players, go do FW missions (you'll still get LP).

I am not an alt of Chribba.

Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-08-28 23:36:38 UTC
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Kuehnelt wrote:
A low-skill 1600mm Arbitrator with Valkyrie IIs can solo the medium Outposts at the button, but with structure damage at the end. A low-skill active Crusader can solo them given much more time. An active AB Executioner or Tormentor can speed tank them by orbiting at 19k and running the repper on occasion. Only the Crusader can fight a wt under the rats.


Yeah i really didn't want to speed tank them because I'm there for a fight as much as I'm there for LP. Think I'll go back to flying frigates and doing minors until CCP makes some major changes.


A fight? If you're looking for a PvP fight, forget these plexes 'cause you can just go find a fight. If you're looking for a solo PvE fight, don't do content designed for multiple players, go do FW missions (you'll still get LP).


Having a hard time finding fights. Pretty much just sit in minor plexes and hope someone comes in but all anyone wants to do in this game is grind ISK.
Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-08-29 00:33:39 UTC
Dual rep combat fit ishkurs can run them no problem
Rengerel en Distel
#10 - 2012-08-29 03:26:28 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog wrote:
Koujjo Dian wrote:
Kuehnelt wrote:
A low-skill 1600mm Arbitrator with Valkyrie IIs can solo the medium Outposts at the button, but with structure damage at the end. A low-skill active Crusader can solo them given much more time. An active AB Executioner or Tormentor can speed tank them by orbiting at 19k and running the repper on occasion. Only the Crusader can fight a wt under the rats.


Yeah i really didn't want to speed tank them because I'm there for a fight as much as I'm there for LP. Think I'll go back to flying frigates and doing minors until CCP makes some major changes.


A fight? If you're looking for a PvP fight, forget these plexes 'cause you can just go find a fight. If you're looking for a solo PvE fight, don't do content designed for multiple players, go do FW missions (you'll still get LP).


Having a hard time finding fights. Pretty much just sit in minor plexes and hope someone comes in but all anyone wants to do in this game is grind ISK.


You could always get into a pvp FW corp and get out of the npc militia corp.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#11 - 2012-08-29 03:37:39 UTC
Plexes are soloable but amarr ships are not so good overall for plexing.
Squatdog
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-08-29 08:44:21 UTC
Step One: Put Gila in plex and deploy drones

Step Two: Do laundry/take dog for walk

Step Three: Come back to find plex capped AND three killmails!
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#13 - 2012-08-29 11:11:33 UTC
There are basically three ways to solo medium plexes:

  1. Get an assault frigate with afterburner and active tank, make it cap stable. Go close orbit and melt face NPC when they approach.
  2. Do distance tanking, works best with cruiser. Fit long range beams and/or drones and kill rats from distance. Proceed to button only once all rats are killed.
  3. Active tanking cruiser. Fit medium repper and high resists or dual medium reps for active tanking. Kill the rats from short range once they approach your button.
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#14 - 2012-08-29 11:13:51 UTC
Bad Messenger wrote:
Plexes are soloable but amarr ships are not so good overall for plexing.


This is non-sense. Amarr ships are indeed the best ship to run Amarr plexes. However, they suffer on running other plexes, especially Minmatar ones. On the other side, shield tanked minmatar ships also suffer from EM-damage in Amarr plexes. So everything is well balanced :-)
Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
#15 - 2012-08-29 11:14:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Cynthia Nezmor
I really don't understand you. You know that the enemy will send SFIs and Cynabals, and you want to **** around in a T1 cruiser. Evil Bring your own Cyna, bring a navy Caracal, navy Omen, anything that is competitive. If you just want to farm LP and you are not looking for fights, use this in all minmatar plexes:

[Merlin, minmatar]
Damage Control I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Small Shield Booster II
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-08-29 12:45:06 UTC
My advice would be to use the Omen's drone bay, with T2 drones of the proper type - Warriors if you're up against Minmatar NPC's I think, because of the explosive resist hole, or maybe Hobgoblins for the damage multiplier. Three T2 drones should be nice for hammering at frigates, and for chipping at NPC cruisers while your guns are cycling.

I'd recommend that when you're building your fit, decide whether you're going to have a pure buffer fit or an active tank - if the latter, fit a medium armor repairer before anything else, and build the rest of your fit around that, because a small armor rep isn't going to cut the mustard on a cruiser; it's basically a wasted slot that could be used for a buffer plate or extra resistance plating or maybe a heat sink for your guns.

(For reference: I know it's possible to solo a medium plex in a ship carrying a full flight of drones. A Worm or Ishkur can tear up a medium with Hobgoblins, and do fairly decently against hostile war targets. Then again, that's a pirate frigate and a T2 assault frigate, respectively.)

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#17 - 2012-08-29 13:00:32 UTC
Cynthia Nezmor wrote:
I really don't understand you. You know that the enemy will send SFIs and Cynabals, and you want to **** around in a T1 cruiser. Evil Bring your own Cyna, bring a navy Caracal, navy Omen, anything that is competitive. If you just want to farm LP and you are not looking for fights, use this in all minmatar plexes:

[Merlin, minmatar]
Damage Control I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Small Shield Booster II
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I


****, I completely forgot that most plex runners just run the plexes for LP and not for souveranity, tags and the PVP fun.
Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-08-29 16:05:57 UTC
What I want to do:

1. Keep it cheap. I'm still learning PvP and will lose many ships in the process.
2. Fly a fit that can plex AND PvP. If I can't do that I will just PvP.
3. Fly solo. I've tried fleeting a few times but I quickly tire of the "blue balling" when one side refuses to fight because victory isn't guaranteed.

When I first entered FW I had grand dreams of huge fleets slugging it out for control of a system. I wanted to fly a Battleship or an Oracle and just be another soldier adding my weight to the war. I never seem to be around when the I hubs are actually attacked but I doubt if even one ship is destroyed in the process. The enemy seems to dock up and say "We didn't want that system anyway".

So instead I plex and take my 1 v 1s where I can find them.
Dan Carter Murray
#19 - 2012-08-29 16:42:07 UTC
Koujjo Dian wrote:
What I want to do:

1. Keep it cheap. I'm still learning PvP and will lose many ships in the process.
2. Fly a fit that can plex AND PvP. If I can't do that I will just PvP.
3. Fly solo. I've tried fleeting a few times but I quickly tire of the "blue balling" when one side refuses to fight because victory isn't guaranteed.

When I first entered FW I had grand dreams of huge fleets slugging it out for control of a system. I wanted to fly a Battleship or an Oracle and just be another soldier adding my weight to the war. I never seem to be around when the I hubs are actually attacked but I doubt if even one ship is destroyed in the process. The enemy seems to dock up and say "We didn't want that system anyway".

So instead I plex and take my 1 v 1s where I can find them.


you can do all 3, you'll just have a harder time doing #2 in a tech 1 cruiser (or bc for major plexes).

Also, if people are blue balling you, then maybe you're plexing in the wrong system. If you are looking for a fight then plex in someone's home system. This of course makes people come with overwhelming forces to kill you because you're on their front lawn.

Additionally, if you take a system deep in enemy territory then you can make that your new home and defend it with your life while continuing to attack surrounding systems.

If you're minmatar...well...you're SOL just join Iron Oxide or Late Night Alliance and blob everyone to death

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Koujjo Dian
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-08-29 17:06:14 UTC
I think I'll try an active tanked Arbitrator. I'm all set to stock up on Navy Omens when we cash out next time but the cost is just too high atm.
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