EVE General Discussion

Everyone has to raise isk in this game in some way or another

to me a carebear is someone who thinks that the rules of pvp dont apply to them


they take expensive ships into lowsec to rat/mission and whine when they are destroyed


Or when there corp/alliance is wardeced they either moan or go missing from the game on there main and just keep playing on an alt.


This is the only time i can say that carebear can be used in a negative context.

Unfortunately there are some who play this game that think:

a) You should play the way they play

and

b) If you are not playing the way they play then you are inferior to them and will make up a name to reflect this "loser" stigma.

But to be honest, IMO, the derogatory form of "carebear" has been thrown so much around these forums that it has lost that negative connotation. In its current form it probably represents a greater protion of the Eve population.

Me personally, I'm proud to be a carebear .

This too. When you are alone.

If you live in an null-sec alliance or corp, then you reap rewards of something other people have or may have conquered without your help. Thus, you are required to help defend it whenever the need arises.

Are you busy IRL and can't participate in said defense? No biggie. Are you trying to do your own thing on EVE while other alliance/corp mates sweat their brows defending what you use? Then that's what people call a "Carebear".

It's just a term some PvP players use to describe all the people who are not making themselves easy kills.

An example of usage would be:

Gatecamper 1 "Man, we've been here for 4 hours,and nothing has come through this stupid gate"

Gatecamper 2 "Goddamned carebears are ruining this game"

Gatecamper 1 "You think we should maybe try some PvP that takes more effort?"

Gatecamper 2 "Nah, too risky"

Matrix ☻


I thought you'd unsubbed tbh. Good to see you're still around, the same ol' Skye.

Exactly.

I'm pretty much the Indutrialist/PI/Mission Running/Explorer/Miner.....but even as Noob, the 2 times I got flipped and stolen I ganked them BOTH in newish failfit Drake.

It IS a game where PVP CAN happen suddenly and quickly, and if one does not like that (or understand the tedium of Industry that it does break-up)......this is definitely not the game for them.

They only embarrass themselves by opening their mouths afterwards.

IMO one of the toughest things you can do in the game is to be a carebear in hostile space. Wormholes, lowsec or nullsec you don't control. Carebearing in any of those systems is really PvP, you're just playing the prey role instead of the hunter role, and often times that is the more challenging role to play. That's why there are so many more pirates than carebears in low sec- everybody wants the easier role. Keeping your losses down low enough that your profits exceed them in hostile space absolutely requires being at the top of your game, anticipating your opponents' moves, being hyper attentive and solid strategy. Anybody who looks down on carebears that are actually making money in hostile territory just hasn't tried it for themselves.

That said, hi sec carebearing is a different story. Once you have some skills trained, in hi sec there really isn't anything that can kill you except gate campers. If you have a decent ship you can pretty much just warp in to a L4 mission and then AFK for an hour and come back and your ship is still where you left it. Heck, if you put out your drones before you wandered off, the mission is probably complete... And that's about the most challenging of the PvE experiences in hi sec.

So, to me anyways, the stigma isn't about carebearing, it is about carebearing in hi sec specifically. And it isn't that hi sec carebears aren't useful. As the OP pointed out, we all rely on them economically. But, it's just not a very challenging way to play the game. IMO if you're a hi sec carebear you should give some thought to becoming a low sec or wormhole carebear. It's hard. You'll probably lose more than you make for a number of months while you are learning, but it is 1000 times more fun and once you get it down, it's 10 times more profitable.

And some of us like a balanced mix of both

How recent? I was prepared to walk away if CCP introduced power MTs, but since they backed away from that particular precipice, so did I.

Well that's not quitting, now is it?. That's just saying I can simply let my account lapse until such time as there's a solid commitment to start working on the game. Not seeing the controversy there... after all, more PvP in 0.0 is nothing but good for people living in hi-sec, right?