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Of Squid and Peacocks or The Differences between State and Federation

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Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-08-28 18:27:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Paul Oliver wrote:
Well someone recommended I start a thread for talking about the differences between the Caldari State and the Gallente Federation, and I think that's a dandy idea. So let's have at it folks, share with us what you think are some of the key differences between the colorblind Caldari and the bombastic Gallente (or the Intaki, Jin-Mei, and Achurians for that matter).


lol oh and to clarify the colorblind remark, has anyone ever seen a colorful Caldari structure because I sure as snot haven't.

"Mr. Bombastic" will now shut up again.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#42 - 2012-08-28 18:32:34 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Well someone recommended I start a thread for talking about the differences between the Caldari State and the Gallente Federation, and I think that's a dandy idea. So let's have at it folks, share with us what you think are some of the key differences between the colorblind Caldari and the bombastic Gallente (or the Intaki, Jin-Mei, and Achurians for that matter).


lol oh and to clarify the colorblind remark, has anyone ever seen a colorful Caldari structure because I sure as snot haven't.

"Mr. Bombastic" will now shut up again.


Who the hell cares if they're colorful or not? How damn petty do you have to be that "they're not colorful enough" is an actual complaint you're going to bring up?

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#43 - 2012-08-28 18:34:33 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
lol oh and to clarify the colorblind remark, has anyone ever seen a colorful Caldari structure because I sure as snot haven't.

"Mr. Bombastic" will now shut up again.


Perhaps you ought to put down your thesaurus and pick up a dictionary, sir. Being colourblind is an inability to see certain or all shades of colour, not a lack of colour. If our stations were bright pink with lime green stripes, you might be justified in calling us colourblind. I haven't yet seen a sign of you worrying about justification for what you believe, however.

Thank you for your contribution.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#44 - 2012-08-28 18:36:23 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
If you want to speak insults, expect us to reply. Be glad we choose to use words alone at this juncture.


Man I just can't help it lol, same goes for you lil missy, make insults against the Federation and expect me to reply (really do need to stop being trolled so easily).

Oh and as far as your words alone threat lol you really think I'm afraid of a cog with a butch haircut? Get over yourself cause I sure as hek have.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#45 - 2012-08-28 18:41:24 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
If you want to speak insults, expect us to reply. Be glad we choose to use words alone at this juncture.


Man I just can't help it lol, same goes for you lil missy, make insults against the Federation and expect me to reply (really do need to stop being trolled so easily).

Oh and as far as your words alone threat lol you really think I'm afraid of a cog with a butch haircut? Get over yourself cause I sure as hek have.


Medical procedures often require the hair to be cut. Congratulations, you are insensitive as well as a moron.

Scherezad has also not said one negative word about the federation in all the time I have known her, except perhaps to gently chide.

Then again, you have just admitted to trolling, so I guess this means you can be a welcome participant in my growing list of blocked capsuleers who have the maturity and intellectual capability of a mongoose high on blue pill.
Azdan Amith
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-08-28 18:42:20 UTC
Miss Scherezad,

While I admire your conviction and the principles you choose to stand upon, I feel perhaps it is my turn to offer you some counsel as you have generously and gently offered to me in the past. While Mister Oliver's adjectives and statements illicit a natural desire to respond, the exact opposite is the more effective retaliation.

When someone refuses to be reasonable and seeks only to continue to instigate as Mister Oliver has chosen to display, the single greatest weapon you have against them is the block function on these communication threads and the block function in your NeoCom. Please do not let yourself be provoked by him further, you are far too kind and thoughtful for it.

~Archon Azdan Amith,  Order of Light's Retribution

Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-08-28 18:45:46 UTC
It is sad that you lot can not see that at this point I am not instigating but reacting. Something I admit I really need to work on.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#48 - 2012-08-28 18:50:08 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
If you want to speak insults, expect us to reply. Be glad we choose to use words alone at this juncture.


Man I just can't help it lol, same goes for you lil missy, make insults against the Federation and expect me to reply (really do need to stop being trolled so easily).

Oh and as far as your words alone threat lol you really think I'm afraid of a cog with a butch haircut? Get over yourself cause I sure as hek have.


Please point to where I have insulted the Federation in these, or any other dialogues. I am quite willing to apologize for any slight to your nation.

As for my haircut: my hair is normally long. I just recently had brain surgery.

As for the threat: I'm simply replying in turn to your earlier threat. I'm still waiting for you to show me those CreoDron FOF algorithms and your big, shiny blasters, sir. Or are they suddenly not as impressive as you once alluded to?
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#49 - 2012-08-28 19:08:00 UTC
Azdan Amith wrote:
Miss Scherezad,

While I admire your conviction and the principles you choose to stand upon, I feel perhaps it is my turn to offer you some counsel as you have generously and gently offered to me in the past. While Mister Oliver's adjectives and statements illicit a natural desire to respond, the exact opposite is the more effective retaliation.

When someone refuses to be reasonable and seeks only to continue to instigate as Mister Oliver has chosen to display, the single greatest weapon you have against them is the block function on these communication threads and the block function in your NeoCom. Please do not let yourself be provoked by him further, you are far too kind and thoughtful for it.


As always, you prove the wiser. You're quite correct.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-08-28 19:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Why would you need to shave your head for neurological surgery? Just yesterday I had some implant work done and their was no need to shave my head. Anyways as for my previous statements concerning blasters and drones I think we've already covered that was a response to you calling me a cog, and arguing with me after I told you I was offended. Also you may want to check my words again because I seem to recall that I stated there MAY come a day such an event would take place, not that there WILL come a day said event would take place. At this point in time were I to make the mistake of commiting to unauthorized combat against an unsanctioned target I imagine I would probably lose my capsuleer status and be expelled from the Academy. With that said I really think we should both take Amith's advise, because I really feel like we're both wasting each other's time at this point. It seems pretty obvious at this point that ANYTHING I say in this feed will be taken as an attack by someone or another, and yet I can not help but reiterate that for some time now what has seemed to be instigating to others I have considered reacting to the reactions of instigations I admit to commiting in the past, which were themselves reactions to even older instigations from others, which were in turn further reactions towards instigations I also commited in the past. I've come to realize such is the nature of IGS "arguments", and honestly something that becomes very tedious and counterproductive quickly.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Faelan Maris
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-08-28 19:14:31 UTC
I find it somewhat reassuring that the young Gallentean speaks alone in this thread; it suggests that the Federates who are not apathetic about the topic entirely are sticking to their ideals about allowing freedom of speech and opinion. However I can see how he might find that somewhat discomfiting.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#52 - 2012-08-28 19:27:35 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Why would you need to shave your head for neurological surgery? Just yesterday I had some implant work done and their was no need to shave my head. Anyways as for my previous statements concerning blasters and drones I think we've already covered that was a response to you calling me a cog, and arguing with me after I told you I was offended. Also you may want to check my words again because I seem to recall that I stated there MAY come a day such an event would take place, not that there WILL come a day said event would take place. At this point in time were I to make the mistake of commiting to unauthorized combat against an unsanctioned target I imagine I would probably lose my capsuleer status and be expelled from the Academy. With that said I really think we should both take Amith's advise, because I really feel like we're both wasting each other's time at this point. It seems pretty obvious at this point that ANYTHING I say in this feed will be taken as an attack by someone or another, and yet I can not help but reiterate that for some time now what has seemed to be instigating to others I have considered reacting to the reactions of instigations I admit to commiting in the past, which were themselves reactions to even older instigations from others, which were in turn further reactions towards instigations I also commited in the past. I've come to realize such is the nature of IGS "arguments", and honestly something that becomes very tedious and counterproductive quickly.


The implants and procedures I receive are relatively prototypical, so have not undergone the expensive procedure of being translated into a biological nanoassembler swarm. A lot of people ask me that one! I'll admit, it's rather uncommon in this day and age.

Regarding the "blasters and drones" comment; If you go back to that conversation you will find that the first thing I did was to apologize for any insult I may have given, then asked for clarification on what you meant. I expanded on why I felt it wasn't insulting, and asked you to expand on why you felt it was. I wasn't arguing with you, I was asking you to tell me what you found offensive.

Please, sir, do not be evasive. Saying that "one day, I may attack you" and then filling your description with colourful biological ramifications is an insult and a threat. Note that I didn't ask for an apology at that point, nor did I reply with similar insults. I have tried very hard to deal with you honestly and openly, in the face of repeated aggression on your part.

I would like to gently suggest that perhaps your experiences on the IGS are a result of your own actions and not those of the community in general. You get more business with a smile than a frown, after all.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#53 - 2012-08-28 19:28:09 UTC
Faelan Maris wrote:
I find it somewhat reassuring that the young Gallentean speaks alone in this thread; it suggests that the Federates who are not apathetic about the topic entirely are sticking to their ideals about allowing freedom of speech and opinion. However I can see how he might find that somewhat discomfiting.
Hence the attempt at rebooting this feed here in a more civil manner, with hopes that the spirit of this feed might actually be realized given a clean slate of sorts.

And as to your quoted comment, yes it is a bit discomforting to realize that when a young Caldari misspeaks I imagine there are many right there willing to enlighten him or her so that he or she may grow in their knowledge and awarenes, but apparently when a young Gallentean misspeaks he stands alone, his peers are nowhere to be found, no words of encouragement or correction are to be had.

And that's a real bad blow moral wise because it's never fun to realize that in a confrontational situation you stand alone and nobody else has your back. It's enough to make a man wonder if perhaps his loyaltys haven't been misplaced.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Rhiannon Dellacorte
Liberty Vanguard
#54 - 2012-08-28 19:29:59 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Faelan Maris wrote:
I find it somewhat reassuring that the young Gallentean speaks alone in this thread; it suggests that the Federates who are not apathetic about the topic entirely are sticking to their ideals about allowing freedom of speech and opinion. However I can see how he might find that somewhat discomfiting.
Hence the attempt at rebooting this feed here in a more civil manner, with hopes that the spirit of this feed might actually be realized given a clean slate of sorts.

And as to your quoted comment, yes it is a bit discomforting to realize that when a young Caldari misspeaks I imagine there are many right there willing to enlighten him or her so that he or she may grow in their knowledge and awarenes, but apparently when a young Gallentean misspeaks he stands alone, his peers are nowhere to be found, no words of encouragement or correction are to be had.

And that's a real bad blow moral wise because it's never fun to realize that in a confrontational situation you stand alone and nobody else has your back. It's enough to make a man wonder if perhaps his loyaltys haven't been misplaced.


Is this an admission that you misspoke? Are we going to hear apologies soon as well?

Rules of Acquisition #261

A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.

Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#55 - 2012-08-28 19:38:53 UTC
Rhiannon Dellacorte wrote:
Paul Oliver wrote:
Faelan Maris wrote:
I find it somewhat reassuring that the young Gallentean speaks alone in this thread; it suggests that the Federates who are not apathetic about the topic entirely are sticking to their ideals about allowing freedom of speech and opinion. However I can see how he might find that somewhat discomfiting.
Hence the attempt at rebooting this feed here in a more civil manner, with hopes that the spirit of this feed might actually be realized given a clean slate of sorts.

And as to your quoted comment, yes it is a bit discomforting to realize that when a young Caldari misspeaks I imagine there are many right there willing to enlighten him or her so that he or she may grow in their knowledge and awarenes, but apparently when a young Gallentean misspeaks he stands alone, his peers are nowhere to be found, no words of encouragement or correction are to be had.

And that's a real bad blow moral wise because it's never fun to realize that in a confrontational situation you stand alone and nobody else has your back. It's enough to make a man wonder if perhaps his loyaltys haven't been misplaced.


Is this an admission that you misspoke? Are we going to hear apologies soon as well?

Sure I'll happily apologize for my actions when everyone else apologizes for their's...
But I suspect the vast majority of us are much too prideful for that so perhaps the best course of action would be to just let it go and move on.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#56 - 2012-08-28 19:55:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Most have moved on from that part of the conversation, but I'll clarify anyway.

A habitat dome, as I usually hear it defined, is a dome like structure built on a planet, moon, or asteroid that's intended to protect the occupants on a short or long-term basis. While some habitat domes are made for the vacuum of space, others also have to deal with high pressure worlds, underwater environments, toxic atmospheres, high temperature worlds, and so on.

Can the Gallente manufacture such domes? Yes. And they're often more comfortable and attractive than the Caldari domes. They also tend to cost more, require more maintenance, and fare worse during extreme events like plasma storms, earthquakes, and seasonal lava flows.

In general, Caldari are all about surviving in extreme conditions; they design with the assumption that horrible things will happen and that the most important thing is keeping safe and functional.

Gallente tend to assume if there's a problem, you can just pour money into fixing it. What matters is that day to day living is comfortable and fun.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#57 - 2012-08-28 20:02:49 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
In general, Caldari are all about surviving in extreme conditions and they design with the assumption that horrible things will happen and the most important thing is keeping safe and functional.
Strange that State engineered vessels would rely on shield technology than.

hehe sorry couldn't resist, thank you for your post Makkal Hanaya, well said. Smile
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#58 - 2012-08-28 20:06:00 UTC
I do find it odd that the Caldari eschew armor in favor of shields. If you want safety, there's nothing like sitting in a maller

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-08-28 20:09:55 UTC
Well seeing as how the "civil" reboot of this feed has just been terminated I'm just going to go read the nice sterile archive information instead of doing something apparently as futile as to learn about these things from the mouths of actual people. Might as well lock this fail feed too.
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#60 - 2012-08-28 20:38:46 UTC
Why a squid?

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.