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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#141 - 2012-09-03 15:15:21 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Bloodpetal wrote:
If you're not, then you're doing it wrong. I don't care what you're flying. I haven't made a fit in the last 3 months that wasn't Single or Dual ASB fit, even if it was meant to armor tank.

If this mod doesn't get nerfed/rebalanced with every other defensive system, then CCP's lost its mawbles.



Seems CCP thinks it's ok mod so just use it. Let those getting blown up throw tears at CCP.


Except that CCP has already said the ASB is too powerful. That's usually a sign for "We're going to nerf it" in some way. There's so many ways that could go that I'm not even going to try to guess how it'll go down. It could be really minor... it could be really major. Either way I suspect we'll see armor changes at the same time.

-Liang

I literally have my fingers crossed on them unleashing the nerfbat at its best. The damn thing boosts almost twice (!) as much HP of what it should, and minor changes simply won't change anything.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#142 - 2012-09-03 21:29:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:


T2 ships are benefiting the most from a x-large ASB


Jori McKie wrote:


Exception of Cyclone and Maelstrom mostly true.

take a Rapier for example.



I literally laughed when you said Rapiers are good ASB ships.
ASB Rapier boosts back all of its shields with one cycle of the ASB and gets volley'd far too easily to be of use. Rapiers, as well as the cookie cutter cane, are still buffer fits because they are better that way.
While the XL ASB Cane might be useful against solo drakes (wait, there's solo drakes w/o cynos?) they are not nearly as effective in small gang where 3 hurricanes will easily break it.

ASBs remain useful on tank bonused ships like Maelstroms and Cyclones (Found a 1.5b triple ASB Rattler once), etc and on small fast ships like frigate hulls, T1 and T2. However, they are not the be all end all of the most popular PVP ships (Canes Drakes and 1400mm Tonados).


You won't laugh when you face that kind of Rapier in a kiting small scale 3-5 gang. An ASB Rapier has about 5k raw shield hp 1x boost cycle reps about 900hp, you are a little over the top with your claim. Usually a Rapier or Huginn is the primary for any opposing kiting gang and usually a passive Rapier dies or is forced off grid but with a x-large ASB fit that Rapier can stay on field much longer and will cause havoc. And yes alpha is/will be a problem but in small gangs you won't have that much alpha, test it and you won't laugh anymore. The same deal with Falcons.
The funny thing is most Recons have absolutly no fitting problem to get 1 x-large ASB online.

An ASB Cane deals very well against 2 passive Canes actually you will be able to tank the DPS of 2 Canes and laugh about the neuts. And you commentary about solo Drakes shows me that you have no clue about small scale.

Edit:
Just so you aren't in the dark, a scram ASB Cane has no invul instead you fit a T2 shield ampli. You can consider that kind of ASB Cane as "passive" with extended buffer tank.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#143 - 2012-09-03 21:41:26 UTC
Bloodpetal wrote:
If you're not, then you're doing it wrong. I don't care what you're flying. I haven't made a fit in the last 3 months that wasn't Single or Dual ASB fit, even if it was meant to armor tank.

If this mod doesn't get nerfed/rebalanced with every other defensive system, then CCP's lost its mawbles.



I would like to know more.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#144 - 2012-09-03 21:52:56 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:


T2 ships are benefiting the most from a x-large ASB


Jori McKie wrote:


Exception of Cyclone and Maelstrom mostly true.

take a Rapier for example.



I literally laughed when you said Rapiers are good ASB ships.
ASB Rapier boosts back all of its shields with one cycle of the ASB and gets volley'd far too easily to be of use. Rapiers, as well as the cookie cutter cane, are still buffer fits because they are better that way.
While the XL ASB Cane might be useful against solo drakes (wait, there's solo drakes w/o cynos?) they are not nearly as effective in small gang where 3 hurricanes will easily break it.

ASBs remain useful on tank bonused ships like Maelstroms and Cyclones (Found a 1.5b triple ASB Rattler once), etc and on small fast ships like frigate hulls, T1 and T2. However, they are not the be all end all of the most popular PVP ships (Canes Drakes and 1400mm Tonados).


You won't laugh when you face that kind of Rapier in a kiting small scale 3-5 gang. An ASB Rapier has about 5k raw shield hp 1x boost cycle reps about 900hp, you are a little over the top with your claim. Usually a Rapier or Huginn is the primary for any opposing kiting gang and usually a passive Rapier dies or is forced off grid but with a x-large ASB fit that Rapier can stay on field much longer and will cause havoc. And yes alpha is/will be a problem but in small gangs you won't have that much alpha, test it and you won't laugh anymore. The same deal with Falcons.
The funny thing is most Recons have absolutly no fitting problem to get 1 x-large ASB online.

An ASB Cane deals very well against 2 passive Canes actually you will be able to tank the DPS of 2 Canes and laugh about the neuts. And you commentary about solo Drakes shows me that you have no clue about small scale.

Edit:
Just so you aren't in the dark, a scram ASB Cane has no invul instead you fit a T2 shield ampli. You can consider that kind of ASB Cane as "passive" with extended buffer tank.


M1k3y Koontz and the people he flys with know what they are doing so typically doesn't matter how pimp you are you'll die.
Jori McKie
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#145 - 2012-09-03 22:23:16 UTC
If you say so .......

I don't care about what you think, i know how good that ASB Rapier and Falcon is. Same deal with an ASB Cane, i know first hand what that ship is capable of.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#146 - 2012-09-04 16:14:51 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
M1k3y Koontz and the people he flys with know what they are doing so typically doesn't matter how pimp you are you'll die.


Red, I know that you guys are the most amazing 20-40 man PVPers in the entire game. Nobody can stand before your glorious might and awesomeness. However, that's not small gang warfare and the game is entirely different at the small gang levels. So far I haven't really seen anyone in your alliance that has a decent amount of small gang experience at all - and the experience that they do have tends to be pretty poor. I've just been mostly unimpressed with the small gang experience coming out of your alliance.

So while you say things like "it doesn't matter how pimp you are, you'll die"... do you think that'd be true in the environments that this thread is primarily centered around? That is to say: small gangs? Just judging from his killboard record, I'd have to say things would go decidedly poorly for him. Even if he is the world's best 20-40 man gang PVPer.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#147 - 2012-09-04 16:16:37 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:
If you say so .......

I don't care about what you think, i know how good that ASB Rapier and Falcon is. Same deal with an ASB Cane, i know first hand what that ship is capable of.


No question the ASB Cane is absolutely wicked, but I really prefer the Cyclone. I've been looking into that ASB Rapier too - I might give it a try some time. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.