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Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#101 - 2012-09-01 20:15:02 UTC
M1k3y Koontz wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:


T2 ships are benefiting the most from a x-large ASB


Jori McKie wrote:


take a Rapier for example.



I literally laughed out loud at this.
ASB Rapier boosts back all of its shields with one cycle of the ASB and gets volley'd far too easily to be of use. Rapiers, as well as the cookie cutter cane, are still buffer fits because they are better that way.
While the XL ASB Cane might be useful against solo drakes (wait, there's solo drakes w/o cynos?) they are not nearly as effective in small gang where 3 hurricanes will easily break it.

ASBs remain useful on tank bonused ships like Maelstroms and Cyclones (Found a 1.5b triple ASB Rattler once), etc and on small fast ships like frigate hulls, T1 and T2. However, they are not the be all end all of the most popular PVP ships (Canes Drakes and 1400mm Tonados).


o/ micky

The LULZ Boat.
Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#102 - 2012-09-01 22:43:51 UTC
I guess somebody must really think ASBs are overpowered. Ugh
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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#103 - 2012-09-01 23:29:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Red Teufel
If i remember correctly we saw an ASB fit everything fleet and well...it died pretty hard.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#104 - 2012-09-02 02:17:22 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
If i remember correctly we saw an ASB fit everything fleet and well...it died pretty hard.


Hey Red, long time no see. Interesting battle report there. Looks like that's getting into the realm that no active tank is going to matter in. Consider that even the ship with the least number of people on its kill mail is well above any threshold that an active tank can ever matter in - ASB or not. That said, the ASB fit ships did quite well for themselves despite the fact you rather dramatically outnumbered them.

But really, linking a battle report where a Sleipnir tanks 13 people and takes 90k raw damage is ... probably not going to help your cause. Lol

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#105 - 2012-09-02 02:21:03 UTC
Garreth Vlox wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Garreth Vlox wrote:
...


I'm sorry, did you just claim that T1 attack frigates are by and large able to sit 3-5km from a Thrasher and DPS down since the patch that boosted them? That's... special.

Also, I'm really tired of the incoherent ranting, straw man arguments, and personal attacks. I decided not to respond to most of those. It's why my post is so short.

-Liang


If you-re 3-5 k from a thrrasher to tackle it, you're tackling like a 4 year old, a point reaches 24 km and your frigate should be faster then the thrasher so if you are sitting at 3-5 km, again you are doing it wrong.

And on the damage the other guy is right, attacking minny ships which have Therm and Kinetic leaning tanks means he can tank you far easier then he should be able to, so again, you're doing it wrong.

This thread is one of the few on this entire forum where people are actually discussing the fact that you are simply misinformed, the personal attacks didn't start until you responded to logic by repeating your core statements with different words that mean the same thing, which in this game is just flat out begging people to start trolling.


Yep, you're absolutely right. I should never have been 3-5km from a Thrasher. I was significantly faster than he was because he didn't have a web. I could have been out at 8-9km and DPS'ed him down with pulse. And by all rights, I should have horrifically lost my ship to that Thrasher for being absolutely stupid.

But I didn't.

Instead, I face tanked him and DPSed him down.

At 3-5km.

In an Executioner.

Because I fit an ASB and he didn't.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#106 - 2012-09-02 02:23:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Garreth Vlox wrote:

Not for nothing, but even with an EM resist rig the EM hole on a minny ship is big enough to drive a truck through yet there your incorrect ammo using frigs sit throwing therm and kinetic damage at a ship designed to tank Kinetic and tanked heavily against thermal. Again the golf ball tank comparison come to mind.


Try addressing what I said instead of what you think I said.

Quote:

And a note about the underlined bits, do you even own a dictionary or now how to use the one on google??????

saying something is suboptimal yet STILL viable is just... well not real intelligent? your admitting your tactics choice puts you at a disadvantage and then you cry about being at a disadvantage. That's like complaining you don't get paid enough at work and then turning down an offered raise.


:notsureifsrs: I think we have provably established that it was a viable tactic. It won, after all. Doesn't make it efficient or optimal, but certainly viable.

-Liang

Ed: Also, I find it cute that you went and got your entire alliance to come post here Garreth. Maybe you should have Red tell you about the shenanigans we used to pull. He knows how effective we are at PVP. :)

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2012-09-02 02:51:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Garreth Vlox
"I think we have provably established that it was a viable tactic. It won, after all. Doesn't make it efficient or optimal, but certainly viable."

I'm not sure if you're serious either. You complain it took to long to kill it and that's unbalanced and bla bla bla but when called on using a bad plan that was guaranteed to take awhile you admit you knew that, so why are you complaining it happened the way you knew it would?????????


Yeah, you and your 4 or 2 friends depending on the mail dps'd down a dessy.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17349298

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17349302

Again something that SHOULD happen 2-4 frigs should smoke a dessy with little to no effort especially when the dessy is arty fit and you are point blank. so again, No, try again.

EDIT* http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17243275 Just found this, its a one time event, commonly know as a fluke. What's that saying? **** happens, do it a dozen times in a row with the same ship against the same ship yeah that's a problem. But you only did it once.

"Looks like that's getting into the realm that no active tank is going to matter in" I distinctly remember you telling me that inferior ships with inferior firepower and numbers can win with ASB's clearly not the case per the report linked by Red.

"But really, linking a battle report where a Sleipnir tanks 13 people and takes 90k raw damage is ... probably not going to help your cause"

Sure it does you keep insisting those mods let you win fights you shouldn't be able to, he lost and he should have lost. So where is his miracle victory brought about by the god like mod you hate so much yet use on EVERY PVP loss mail I can find?

The LULZ Boat.
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#108 - 2012-09-02 02:54:17 UTC
"Also, I find it cute that you went and got your entire alliance to come post here Garreth."

This deserves it owns post, I have 2 guys show up days after you're buddies start trolling my posts and now I'm the one asking for help? You say you know and used to hang with Red, ask him if I bat phoned him and mickey or if he noticed the thread while he was browsing the forums.

Also how is 2 guys in my corp = "my entire alliance"?

The LULZ Boat.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#109 - 2012-09-02 03:15:26 UTC
Garreth Vlox wrote:
"I think we have provably established that it was a viable tactic. It won, after all. Doesn't make it efficient or optimal, but certainly viable."

I'm not sure if you're serious either. You complain it took to long to kill it and that's unbalanced and bla bla bla but when called on using a bad plan that was guaranteed to take awhile you admit you knew that, so why are you complaining it happened the way you knew it would?????????


I've never once complained about that fight. Yes, it took a long time and I would expect it to.

Quote:

Yeah, you and your 4 or 2 friends depending on the mail dps'd down a dessy.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17349298

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17349302

Again something that SHOULD happen 2-4 frigs should smoke a dessy with little to no effort especially when the dessy is arty fit and you are point blank. so again, No, try again.


I've never once mentioned any of those kills or referenced them. Why do you keep digging through my kill history in hopes of putting words in my mouth?

Quote:

EDIT* http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17243275 Just found this, its a one time event, commonly know as a fluke. What's that saying? **** happens, do it a dozen times in a row with the same ship against the same ship yeah that's a problem. But you only did it once.


Feel free to bring a Thrasher by. :)

Quote:

"Looks like that's getting into the realm that no active tank is going to matter in" I distinctly remember you telling me that inferior ships with inferior firepower and numbers can win with ASB's clearly not the case per the report linked by Red.


Those two sentences are not diametrically opposed. Only your poor reading comprehension would make you think that they were.

Quote:

"But really, linking a battle report where a Sleipnir tanks 13 people and takes 90k raw damage is ... probably not going to help your cause"

Sure it does you keep insisting those mods let you win fights you shouldn't be able to, he lost and he should have lost. So where is his miracle victory brought about by the god like mod you hate so much yet use on EVERY PVP loss mail I can find?


I'm not even sure if you're worth responding to. You should get Red to check your posts before you post because you're looking mighty ******* stupid.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#110 - 2012-09-02 03:16:34 UTC
Garreth Vlox wrote:
"Also, I find it cute that you went and got your entire alliance to come post here Garreth."

This deserves it owns post, I have 2 guys show up days after you're buddies start trolling my posts and now I'm the one asking for help? You say you know and used to hang with Red, ask him if I bat phoned him and mickey or if he noticed the thread while he was browsing the forums.

Also how is 2 guys in my corp = "my entire alliance"?


Ah, my mistake. The fact that your corp/alliance starts posting rapidly in succession wouldn't at all mean that you quite possibly linked the thread and asked for help.

Lol

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#111 - 2012-09-02 03:27:41 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Garreth Vlox wrote:
"Also, I find it cute that you went and got your entire alliance to come post here Garreth."

This deserves it owns post, I have 2 guys show up days after you're buddies start trolling my posts and now I'm the one asking for help? You say you know and used to hang with Red, ask him if I bat phoned him and mickey or if he noticed the thread while he was browsing the forums.

Also how is 2 guys in my corp = "my entire alliance"?


Ah, my mistake. The fact that your corp/alliance starts posting rapidly in succession wouldn't at all mean that you quite possibly linked the thread and asked for help.

Lol

-Liang


I don't want to be involved, and this is a serious question; do people really ask for help in forum threads?

James315 for CSM 8!
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#112 - 2012-09-02 03:41:58 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:

I don't want to be involved, and this is a serious question; do people really ask for help in forum threads?


Yeah, I've seen it before. Dozens of times, in fact. I've been on these forms for way too many years. Lol

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#113 - 2012-09-02 03:43:23 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
If i remember correctly we saw an ASB fit everything fleet and well...it died pretty hard.

We died SO HARD.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-09-02 03:45:53 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Abel Merkabah wrote:

I don't want to be involved, and this is a serious question; do people really ask for help in forum threads?


Yeah, I've seen it before. Dozens of times, in fact. I've been on these forms for way too many years. Lol

-Liang


I don't know why, but that saddens me...I feel pity...

I guess to me, it is always just a game; and I realize the chances of changing anyone's mind over a forum post is slim to none, so it does not seem to be worth it.

Oh well, I'm sorry to interrupt your discussion, thanks for an honest answer.

James315 for CSM 8!
Emaleena Rogers
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#115 - 2012-09-02 03:51:13 UTC
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14365958

They are fantastic for FFA's.

Wouldn't mind an Ancillary Armor repairer though. :/

Let's get to bashing Butts, as well as deeeez nutts.
Killtime
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#116 - 2012-09-02 03:56:18 UTC
Heh, even the jaguar took 10k raw damage.

Riddle me this, how on Earth did the guys in RANE lose a Drake when they had a carrier on field? I assume it would be repping like crazy and with what looks like 3 DPS ships on the field, that drake shouldn't have died. Then again that batrep does show the Unthinkables on both sides of the fight, so maybe they were trying to help out the Skunks?
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#117 - 2012-09-02 03:57:44 UTC
Seen a few real bad no resist ASB fits, But i will say ive been robbed of a few kills due to ASBs
Steam Cat
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2012-09-02 04:09:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Steam Cat
Red Teufel wrote:
If i remember correctly we saw an ASB fit everything fleet and well...it died pretty hard.

Ah, that was our battle. Hello! Basically what you saw was us dying for a fight (hisec WT weren't providing anything) and a test run of an idea with not enough everything. This was the first non-test server run we had. In other words, a typical skunkworks op.
Killtime
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-09-02 04:18:48 UTC
Steam Cat wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
If i remember correctly we saw an ASB fit everything fleet and well...it died pretty hard.

Ah, that was our battle. Hello! Basically what you saw was us dying for a fight (hisec WT weren't providing anything) and a test run of an idea with not enough everything. This was the first non-test server run we had. In other words, a typical skunkworks op.


Pretty impressive, considering how much damage it took to drop some of those ships.
So how long did that fight last for? I see there was about 7 minutes between the jag and the other ships falling, so holding out for that long is pretty cool for a 5-man gang.

Seriously, top work guys! That was awesome work and I'd love to try that fleet out some time. Sounds like a whole lot of fun
Steam Cat
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#120 - 2012-09-02 04:36:00 UTC
We were there quite a while, probably 15m from first engagement. Basically they brought out the carrier and a few drakes. Shot at the jag, set the fighters on everything. Basically everything was chill, but slowly escalating until we had a fair fight, then at about the 14 minute mark the party arrived and things went south, as you can see.