Jita Park Speakers Corner

The Answer is PR,I found a set of questions answered by Seleene, http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/ypde9/im_seleene_former_ccp_game_designer_and_current/ these cover all kinds of things. Did I find a link to this on these forums, nope, nada, nill. I changed over to my CCP twitter account and found them in that lot, not even posted by Seleene.

Yes CSM 7 are quite busy and seem to be doing a great job, if you dig around enough to find it.

But people should not have to.

The CSM needs to post more on these forums even if it is just links to what they are doing so people can find it easily.

This is one of the more head down bums up CSMs but the problem isn't their work it is their visibility. Yes they will see more complaints from people as time goes on if they are not more visible.

It is not a failure of what you are doing (except maybe Darius III) but it is a problem of not being seen doing it.

In normal political speak, get out there and kiss some babies. Kissing babies does not help anything but people see you doing something and feel better in them selves.

And yeah I probably should start a blog this multi post crap is annoying.

To close it out from the Title it is not CSM Stupidity, more just inability to adapt. The last 2 CSMs have had huge demons to fight and have made a splash by just moaning and complaining, now that we don't have that the CSM needs to generate its own press.

They have no major demons to fight just poking and prodding. So at least do it with a banner and a band behind you to show you are doing it.

That is during an election and as far as I and CCP are concerned anything goes for elections.

And given the number of views those threads got I can definitely say it increased awareness and showed very clearly that the election system is too easy to sway.

So what is is on your list of has been missed?

Seriously, that's almost intellectually insulting.

I think we're all stupider for having to consider the possibility that a feature they made only a couple of years ago cannot be changed with less work than it takes to change the entire drone regions or rework the inventory when all you are doing is changing a number representing the amount of spodumain in a belt.

Give me a break.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpmIBJ_MKas

"We'd really like to change the login and password text to "Authentication" on the login screen, but as noone could find the exact place the text was, we decided to rewrite the game, this will now take 5 years." <- This is your reasoning?

That response could be given to ANY idea anyone EVER has in this forum.

Did you even think about your response?

As for it being a small part of the player base in your perception - this is exactly what people want in order to "fix lowsec" which I'm sure you would've seen more than a few posts about. Unpopulated parts of the game are unpopulated because they are unplayable.

If you want them playable, then you need to change something amirite ?

That big yellow button with "post" written on it could be WAY more dangerous than it looks I suggest giving it a wide berth in future.

Actually, the spod problem is quite significant, as well as representing an opportunity to solve the low end minerals supply problem in low/0.0

That would be CCP's call based on stats that they have, but it's an obvious bottleneck atm.

For myself, I get sick of this whole "There aren't any targets in 0.0/lowsec" and "Those people in highsec are so risk averse" while there are all these mechanic based impediments to industrialists moving to low-sec/0.0 without being a part of a huge powerbloc alliance - and then they are rare as hens teeth anywayl because they have to justify their existence to those entities.

Instead I've been trying to get CSM/CCP to remove those impediments for about a year maybe a year and a half now.

I'd like to be able to put up a POS with the ABILITY to have at least SOME reasonable refining system, possibly cloning - but I have a rorq for that too - and be able to pay miners automatically so I'm not constantly bogged down with ridiculous contracts maintenance.

Then if I can get that, I might also like some way to have a market or other system so that we could run an effective corp without any great affiliation to big entities.

At present the problem isn't my being risk averse - it's the fact that a lot of these entities aren't even keeping their space clean by way of PVP - it's just the lack of being able to move there without station access. There's really no feasible way of running a mining corp without it in a hostile environment - it's hard in a wormhole but at least you're secluded a lot of the time.

Trying to do it in 0.0 is not workable right now, and very difficult in low-sec too.

Industrialists need to be able to give more benefit to PVP corps and alliances which is also why I'm in favor of moon goo being mined rather than moon mined - this allows alliances to tax the mining as they do with t1 minerals and make ships/money from that.

t2 ship prices would come down due to competition in the market, anyone could build anything suddenly because there'd be no more strangleholds on moon goo - right now there are just some things I cannot under any circumstances make money from.

I think it would see even the largest of alliances having to pull their borders (income for zero work would be reduced and sov bills would become unpayable) in and allow more people to move out into areas they currently find inaccessible.

With more entities PVP could be more easily found and less blobby.

These changes would not "break the game" or "break pvp" or "break industry". They would merely afford people in a profession that still has some of its' mechanics being 10 years old some lateral movement instead of being stuck in empire as many of them are at present.

tbh, I think we've seen 9 years of sov/0.0/pvp revamps. Not that that's a bad thing.

PVP is the main driver of the game, absolutely.

However, it's definitely time for an actual industry release I would've thought.

Upon saying that, the amount of work to "redo industry" could be devastating ;)

They are fixing industry queues up - for t2 production etc, this winter I believe.
Also redoing corporate page, with security etc.
Also redoing the contract system into the new treaty system.

This is all related to what I'm talking about, awesome stuff all of it.

However, things seem to fall between the cracks because they are "small changes" which could have huge impact.

Like the spodumain thing. You consider it.
A small corp decides to rent space from a larger entity somewhere in say, Kalevala expanse.
They rent space, put up pos, then they have to install and upgrade an IHUB.

Overall the payments for all this are in the billions per month, easily.
The amount of isk to put the POS and IHUB up are also harsh even though they aren't ongoing. Not to mention the amount of work in logistics.

But in order to upgrade the ihub they have to mine, and mine and mine. Every Day.

However, what they get to mine is predominately spodumain - the worst ore in the game.

WTF do people expect a mining corp to pay this seriously? to mine spodumain ? This **** is supposed to be fun.

And lets say they don't actually own a rorqual just yet....
75% refining - even at max skills.

These guys need to fix some of this stuff... It's not even in the same realm as a PVP corp. I don't see how they can possibly justify any of this - and it has been this way for YEARS.

When they had some perceived problem with the titan blob, mittani had it hotfixed within a month because of the qqing.

So now we vote in this CSM and a few of us put a fair bit of energy into doing that... and still waiting for some of these "text modifications" to go through which would change peoples' gameplay significantly.

This stuff isn't "reworking POS" or some tremendous amount of work for CCP, it's a few text mods, maybe some small graphical changes in the size of the rocks in the belt or some such.

To answer your question - I think industry should constantly be looked at, but if we had an industry expansion once per 10 years, that's ok. PVP is the main driver and always will be, but I think we're overdue to check out some of these small problems and get rid of them.

Well to rev,

I am sadly gallente and part time miner, I mostly bring it up since it seems with how CCP is kind of fixing some aspects of industry this winter, they are doing another gallente style buff with it. As in it is awesome what they are doing, and does leave it better off. But gallente blasters have no range, and sniping is hard to do well still.

Like how you bring up spodumain. Seems like the problem of blaster range. With how much CCP is doing gallente buffing lately, I wouldn't expect much work done to spodumain, but who knows really, maybe someday our blasters and rails will work well. I mostly meant, some smaller aspects to industry or ways for it to really shine, might not be included or are harder to do then realized in a way. That kind of reminds me of a gallente buff.

You seem to bring up a lot of renter issues as well. That is kind of a taboo thing for me, as well as me not knowing about it personally, but I can see some things already. Seems like owning space (or renting) was suppose to be a major thing, but you are trying to shrink its size, so you can just enjoy null sec industrial life more. Not sure how that will go, but good luck.

Well mining prices are different now, but when reading your statements, what you would want would be a slight OP, with better refine rates with the games best ores. Why sometimes I understand its bad refine rate, but at the same time the game would be more fun or enjoyable with better rates.

As for the titan change, when issues become more mainstream to the game, they are often looked at more, or dealt with faster. Why I brought up the spodumain, its big for some people, but if it was more mainstream, would be dealt with faster probably. Or maybe just renter issues as well, those aren't really mainstream, and most people wouldn't know about them.

Fine go off, and fight your spodumain problems. Maybe someday when I am smarter and more mature, I can meet such great challenges that you face.

Actually I wasn't referring to your comment. Bit hard to call you PvP when your trying to fix indy.