Warfare & Tactics

Once again another FW thread where someone asks for idea on how the Amarr can try and turnaround thier warzone and people just don't get it....

They either:

1. Give advice to how the OP can 'do it better' - This was not asked for nor the intention of the post
or
2. Winge and whine about how fail amarr is.

Get over yourselves

Anyways to the OP I say if you have any ideas to try then get a bunch of like minded people and try them. You will have an uphill battle because of the way the mechanics work around plexing and the large number of plex alts in the minnies. I would sugest that you work to get yourselves setup in a 'home' system and keep it decontested as much as possible. Once you have it fairly secure expand into the surrounding systems. If you could do this in an area that is deep in minnie space then you get a bigger PR footprint form that as well that may inspire more examples to assist with the war effort.

I really like the idea of FW but tbh the biggest problem I have with FW is the large number of whiners in it that consistantly conplain about how this/that is broken in FW and don't do anyhting about it!

The man DID say 'covert cynos' .

A very respectable and influential player once told me in a private convo that one of the best way to deal with spies is, quite honestly, to ignore them. They're a fact of eve, and everyone has them. Spies inflict *some* damage, but the most damaging thing a spy can do is create disloyalty. Just keep intel on a need to know basis. Announce hostile movements, not friendlies, etc. And despite the fear of spies, people aren't that smart. A spy can only glean so much on short notice. Less even in public fleets and pickups. Worst case scenario, you lose a few ships and get a good fight. Is that really so bad?

^^THIS

QFT


The biggest danger I have seen spies ever do is psychological. An apparent 'boogieman' that really never was. Important information should always be 'need to know'. Otherwise limiting options because of 'spies' is silly.

I was always a staunch supporter of open door policy. Information control is key.

Many a time I have seen fleets get slaughtered due to a grave miscalculation/lack of information by a fleet commander to be blamed on 'spies' than to be taken for the fact that they where due to blatant mistakes by the FC. Just because you walked into a trap does not mean it was due to spies. Fleets have very effective tactics for hiding numbers, dragging hostile fleets into traps etc.

As far as the developing a sense of chivalry and co operation, the best I can tell you that as far as fw goes it is built once blood is spilled and lost together. I understand this is a turnoff to many a new fw pilot, but this is the way things have been done for years. While I would love to see a more welcome attitude from the seniors to the newcomers, old dogs rarely learn new tricks and new comers are better to adapt than expect seniors to follow logic.

Strange I know but hey, the world is a strange place.

Seriously, i'd hope the minnies already had their amarr alts ready (takes a bit more skills to handle the missiles) and should be farming to get them all vulnerable.
The minnies should welcome the farmers, and let them do their work. The amarr will cash out, then go back to their minnie characters to start the cycle again. FW isn't about winning a war, pvp, etc. it's about the cash outs now. Perhaps when people are cashing out every week, every other week, then CCP might look into the mechanics.

Theres no need for that when Minny farmers can just go Caldari. What you proposed is just more work. The thing about farmers or massive ISK profitability is that the smart will always take the path of least resistance.

I seem to remember 7th Fleet leaving the militia because they couldn't plex like they used to. When did they turn into a PvP focused alliance?

Do your homework. Check the killboards. then make passing remarks on faction warfare corporations/pilots.

Then again there are many a pilot in EVE still stuck in the old school way of thought and think getting into a fast moving fleet and jumping 25 jumps through a warzone is THE ONLY way they will get pvp.

Word to the wise: if you think plexing does not bring you fights you are sorely mistaken. If your not getting fights orbiting the butan you are plexing in the wrong systems or intentionally doing it in backwater systems for LP. Granted you will have 20 or 30 minutes pass while capturing plexes where nothing happens, still beats jumping 23 gates and getting blueballed.

Take it from me I have done the roaming thing for way over a year and a half in both caldari and amarr. Plexing gets you more fights than roaming. you can qoute me on that.

I'm glad the only thing you can come up with to slander our organization is a play on local spam we came up with after plexing/flipping 2 systems in our first week of FW. Keep being angry Cynthia, apparently it's the only thing you are good at.



A few things- First off, there is a grand total of about 6 active people in Fweddit from nullsec (3 of them are directors); after we all ran with a few of the general militia fleets, and that abomination of a kitchen sink StrayShot used to fly around- we decided we were better off on our own.

At the peak of Fweddits first month in FW, we had 70 people in corp, online at all times of the day. There was literally no reason to open invites to the rest of the militia, so we did what we did. Why complicate things by trying to get through to people that we were going to fly thrashers and only thrashers? After some time we opened fleets to the general militia, we set personal standings with corps we commonly flew with so they could always join our fleets, and we generally accepted anyone that would download the Mumble client and **** up comms with us.

The only thing the general Amarr Militia gave Fweddit, was about 17 channels to pretend to care about, and literally the worst intel channel in the game, that didn't blink a single time for over a month. We did get some quality laughs at 7th Fleets expense, normally listening to FHP talk out of his ass "40 Arty Thrashers can alpha a Vindicator" and watching StrayShot primary things that were 200km off the fleet.




Funny I seem to have logs from our Diplomatic discussions about you telling us 95% of your alliance was in Amarr FW to farm L5 Amarr Navy missions, plex, and generally be ISKmongers (i.e. Har Harrison). That only a core few people in 7th were in it for the fights; also funny that you repeated the same story less than a week ago in Militia chat.

If you're here to carebear, just say you're here to be a digusting carebear. Not everyone in EVE is spacerich, try and get like me.

Ok, let me backtrack to my above quote and emphasis the word corporations/pilots. I cannot speak for nor even promote my Alliance.

That being said there is truth in what you said above about the pve aspects and in fact it is hardly a secret.

Looking at my corporation's pilots the number is FAR more than the actual active pilots. A large number that coincidentally stopped logging in after inferno and the ability to log in, choose a level five/four from the Imperial Navy station in Sahtogas and pve their little heart out under the blue pacts that were available pre-inferno with the local sahtogas pirates.

Fast forward to today (the post-inferno period) and what we have in my corp is a core group of dedicated pvp'ers that choose plexing as a means to get fights. Remember plexing for the current pilots of my corporation is not the goal (that cannot be said for many a 'FW' corporation sadly). Plexing to ARETR is a means to a goal (pvp) not a goal in and of itself.

Just to clarify I wrote the above.

As far as the obvious problem some of the Alliance (and even my corps pilots) have with Fweddit. The way I see it; it is a personal 'I hate you I am better than you' case and you know it does not represent the corporations veiw of fweddit.

Besides hotpocket hasn't been on in weeks he logs in to switch skills, flames the fweddit boys in militia chat for lols and logs out. As far as Cynthia...well Cynthia is just a little lost girl full of anger rage and hate. BUT she is a pilot in my alliance and I consider her a close pvp friend. So she is MY little lost friend full of anger rage and hate.

BESIDES, wake the EF up xolve, haven't you noticed it is a prerequisite to be full of rage to be part of my corporation and alliance?

P.S. Har Harrison submitted his resignation today. Looks like we lost out designated corp salvager. Oh well.

P.P.S. When will I get another chance to roam with a 'just dont give a EFF' fleet from fweddit I still have to visit my parole officer weekly after that fleet with Arnold Schwarzenegger having what appears to be 'sex' with one of the 'My Little Ponies' on comms while we roamed. Good Times Good Times.