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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#301 - 2012-08-30 15:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mr Epeen wrote:
I'm the one that said Veldspar wasn't desirable.
Indeed it was. And now you did it again.

See how that works?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#302 - 2012-08-30 15:24:53 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
I mean that moving to a different newbie system means you are leaving the security you so desire


Flying in a ship with 600k-700k EHP in hisec is clearly unsecure.

If you're flying such a ship you're clearly not a rookie entitled protection. Stop being obtuse.


My point exactly.

Drop wants all rookie systems to be off-limits for pvp and he thinks that system can't be exploited by anyone.

I'm not against off-limits part but I'm just questioning "can't be exploited" part.

I think you're missing the part where the reward for being this risk averse is so incredibly minimal it's pointless to the extreme.
It's not exploitable because there's no reason to exploit it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#303 - 2012-08-30 15:27:03 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
There is a special place in hell reserved for idiots like me
Don't worry, you can still be redeemed by not acting like a complete ********. Roll


Oh, this kind of posting is allowed. Maybe I should think about changing your name in quote from Tippia to Drop. Big smile
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#304 - 2012-08-30 15:28:22 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I think you're missing the part where the reward for being this risk averse is so incredibly minimal it's pointless to the extreme.
It's not exploitable because there's no reason to exploit it.
More precisely: “exploiting” it means you end up worse off than if you didn't exploit it.

At that point, it's not so much an exploit as it is deliberately crippling yourself.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#305 - 2012-08-30 15:30:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
Tippia wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
I'm the one that said Veldspar wasn't desirable.
Indeed it was. And now you did it again.

See how that works?


Post #274

Tippia wrote:
Veldpar might be ok to mine right now, but it's not that desirable.


Edit: Response made more sense before the ninja edit by tippers.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#306 - 2012-08-30 15:32:03 UTC
If shooting isn't allowed in rookie systems they should do complete rework for agent system. You know, some agents will send you to rookie system to do mission. Doing security missions is quite difficult if you can't use anything that causes aggression.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#307 - 2012-08-30 15:34:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mr Epeen wrote:
Veldpar might be ok to mine right now, but it's not that desirable.
So you keep saying. I certainly didn't.

Jorma Morkkis wrote:
If shooting isn't allowed in rookie systems they should do complete rework for agent system. You know, some agents will send you to rookie system to do mission. Doing security missions is quite difficult if you can't use anything that causes aggression.
Then why do you propose such a silly system?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#308 - 2012-08-30 15:36:38 UTC
Who said anything about no shooting?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#309 - 2012-08-30 15:38:10 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
Veldpar might be ok to mine right now, but it's not that desirable.
So you keep saying. I certainly didn't.


In conversation that might work, but this is a forum where you need only scroll back to see that you just lied.

Mr Epeen Cool
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#310 - 2012-08-30 15:38:47 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
If shooting isn't allowed in rookie systems they should do complete rework for agent system. You know, some agents will send you to rookie system to do mission. Doing security missions is quite difficult if you can't use anything that causes aggression.
Then why do you propose such a silly system?


It's your "no pvp zone" prop(vp)osal.

How else you would prevent shooting if not disabling modules?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#311 - 2012-08-30 15:39:25 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
It's your "no pvp zone" prop(vp)osal.
Nope.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#312 - 2012-08-30 15:40:43 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
In conversation that might work, but this is a forum where you need only scroll back to see that you just lied.
In a forum, you can scroll back and see that what you quoted and what I said wasn't the same thing.

Thus, the statement is attributed to you, not me.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#313 - 2012-08-30 15:43:45 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
If shooting isn't allowed in rookie systems they should do complete rework for agent system. You know, some agents will send you to rookie system to do mission. Doing security missions is quite difficult if you can't use anything that causes aggression.
Then why do you propose such a silly system?


It's your "no pvp zone" prop(vp)osal.

How else you would prevent shooting if not disabling modules?

Who said anything about no shooting?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#314 - 2012-08-30 15:45:21 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
It's your "no pvp zone" prop(vp)osal.
Nope.


Yep.

Tippia wrote:
The short version was also presented on the first couple of pages: basically, don't try to define the protected group by some pilot characteristic, because those can and will be exploited and there will have to be more (and ever-increasing numbers of) special cases and exceptions than anyone could ever think of or list. Instead, define it by static and geography with no exceptions: shooting isn't allowed in rookie systems. Then clearly define what is and what isn't a newbie system by simply listing them. The amount of security afforded to older players is no more than what they'd get in a station, and newbies get all the space they need to learn the basics of the game before tackling the big bad world. When they try to leave, tell them with no uncertainty that here there be dragons.

In essence, go back to the old rule and make it iron-clad.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#315 - 2012-08-30 15:46:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
In conversation that might work, but this is a forum where you need only scroll back to see that you just lied.
In a forum, you can scroll back and see that what you quoted and what I said wasn't the same thing.

Thus, the statement is attributed to you, not me.


If it's quoted, and you haven't yet gone back and edited it, then you said it. Even if you did edit it, you still said it. It's just not so obvious then.

And what you said was an insult to all who love Veldspar. Just apologize and maybe, in time, you will be forgiven.

Mr Epeen Cool
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#316 - 2012-08-30 15:47:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Yep.
Nope. I'm referring to shooting other players and you know this because you've read it on multiple occasions. Don't play stupid.

Mr Epeen wrote:
If it's quoted
…and unaltered, then I said it, but since that doesn't apply here, the statement is entirely yours. Since I didn't edit the post you're referring to and since it doesn't match what you quoted, we can easily compare the two and conclude that you falsified the statement. Hell, even after editing your post once, you still didn't manage to make it match. Lol
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#317 - 2012-08-30 15:49:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Yep.
Nope. I'm referring to shooting other players. Don't play stupid.


How would you prevent let's say 1 year old character from shooting a week old rookie in rookie system?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#318 - 2012-08-30 15:52:04 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
How would you prevent let's say 1 year old character from shooting a week old rookie in rookie system?
I wouldn't. The 1-year old character would.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#319 - 2012-08-30 15:54:28 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
How would you prevent let's say 1 year old character from shooting a week old rookie in rookie system?
I wouldn't. The 1-year old character would.


Would what? Stop a week old character from shooting 1 year old character?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#320 - 2012-08-30 15:56:30 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Would what?
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
prevent let's say 1 year old character from shooting a week old rookie in rookie system