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CCP your RMT policy sucks

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Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#41 - 2011-09-27 19:19:58 UTC
Louise Ferrigno wrote:
stop buying isk

this actually is the only real message of this thread
+1
Kogh Ayon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2011-09-27 19:21:41 UTC
Ezurae wrote:
Louise Ferrigno wrote:
stop buying isk

this actually is the only real message of this thread
+1


You mean stop using "give money" feature. Please ask CCP to cancel that button.
Kogh Ayon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2011-09-27 19:40:15 UTC
Summarize from the replies from "anti-RMTers":


Gregor Palter wrote:
You must ask for an open investigation on the forums, by a GM/DEV, otherwise you are a liar. There was a precedent there but I couldn't find that.

"If you not ask for....... then you are a liar". you would better to finish your high school somewhere.
And obviously this guy does not know what the topic of the investigation will be.

Malcanis wrote:
If you not posting your full api, then you are a RMTer. If you post your full api, people will support you

I'm not quite asking for people's support really, since it is CCP who can make the decision, and they know if I'm lying or not. If you don't believe it, that it. The truth will not be changed by who's saying it


The Apostle wrote:
CCP banned you because they think you were RMT but don't have enough evidence, so them unbanned you then and apologize to give you the second chance.

"We really have to apoligize that you RMTed but we are going to give you another chance, sorry."


"Nothing new people" wrote:
If you get banned, you must have involved in RMT. What? you're unbaned? So....er......ah.....megh ,let's keep going without seeing it.

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2011-09-27 20:26:54 UTC
OP: You did RMT.

Simple as that. We all know it. You, me, CCP, this person, that guy, all of us, we all know it.


Now on to next topic. Hopefully it will be as straight forward as this one.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#45 - 2011-09-27 21:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
OP = added to contact-list, set "red," and is now a prime target for suicide-gank. (I've always wondered just how much you can one- or two-shot with a gank-fit arty-Cane Twisted)

1 ship for the alpha, another with smartbombs in the highs to warp in as the gunship gets CONCORD'ed, should do for the pod.

Anyone want to x-up?

OP: You are an ISK-buyer--it is so bloody obvious, don't even try to deny it!

That makes you worth less than the dogshit I just accidentally stepped in and finished scraping off my shoes.

**** off out of our game, and go eat ****, you worthless parasite.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#46 - 2011-09-27 21:43:51 UTC
Normally Mac would be right; just another RMT ban whine, in this case he's not banned. That would warrant taking it with a lot more merit than the usual "STFU you RMT'd".

But the usual "You can't possibly know what your friend did" applies. Because you cant, after all.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it

RaTTuS
BIG
#47 - 2011-09-27 21:45:21 UTC
Louise Ferrigno wrote:
stop buying isk

+1
i've been playing since year one [not day one]
I don't know or have known [to the best of my knowledge] any person who feels the need to rmt

http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png http://i.imgur.com/kYLoKrM.png

The Apostle
Doomheim
#48 - 2011-09-27 21:53:30 UTC
Quote:
You mean stop using "give money" feature. Please ask CCP to cancel that button.

Having done many transactions in the multi-billions, I stated earlier I have never been accused or even suspected to warrant any kind of ban. Why? 'cause I don't do it.

Therefore, I disagree with you, I think the button is fine.

You however have either recieved or paid ISK gained through RMT with that button. So yes. Cancel the button. With a ban.

I like how this turned out, because, see, we can agree on something Smile

[i]Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest. WTB: An Austrian kangaroo![/i]

Kogh Ayon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2011-09-28 06:28:14 UTC
The Apostle wrote:
Quote:
You mean stop using "give money" feature. Please ask CCP to cancel that button.

Having done many transactions in the multi-billions, I stated earlier I have never been accused or even suspected to warrant any kind of ban. Why? 'cause I don't do it.

Therefore, I disagree with you, I think the button is fine.

You however have either recieved or paid ISK gained through RMT with that button. So yes. Cancel the button. With a ban.

I like how this turned out, because, see, we can agree on something Smile


RMTer who admited has done transactions in multi-billions detected.

Would you mind to expose the way you bought so much isk without being banned?
Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#50 - 2011-09-28 06:29:07 UTC
Kogh Ayon wrote:

Malcanis wrote:
If you not posting your full api, then you are a RMTer. If you post your full api, people will support you

I'm not quite asking for people's support really, since it is CCP who can make the decision, and they know if I'm lying or not. If you don't believe it, that it. The truth will not be changed by who's saying it


Ok so you dont ask people for their support then WHY, WHYYYYY did you post in the open eve forums? if it were only supposed for ccp you could have EASILY gone with an email or even a petition about RMT. You didnt, instead you posted on these shiny forums? so what could that possibly tell us...
aaah yeah let me just quote myself:

Ezurae wrote:

reading your past posts it does not surprise me you got investigated and banned. but i do regret that you got unbanned since you are so obviously an RMTer. may i quote you "Sponsor: ECF (Elite Chinese Farmers) and RMT (Russian Macro Team)"
"I'm actually trying to introduce a new way to think about RMT/Botting." Source: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1503254/page/1

I think you argued for RMTing back in April because you were thinking about RMTing some stuff. Well the opinion on RMTing didnt change (i dont get how you could think it would change that fast or even change at all) and after a while you just thought, "a cmon screw it i will just try/risk it." and BAM banhammer struck, you did some whining and now we are back to you trying to change the opinion on RMTing so you can RMT again....

Ezurae
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#51 - 2011-09-28 06:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ezurae
Kogh Ayon wrote:
The Apostle wrote:
Quote:
You mean stop using "give money" feature. Please ask CCP to cancel that button.

Having done many transactions in the multi-billions, I stated earlier I have never been accused or even suspected to warrant any kind of ban. Why? 'cause I don't do it.

Therefore, I disagree with you, I think the button is fine.

You however have either recieved or paid ISK gained through RMT with that button. So yes. Cancel the button. With a ban.

I like how this turned out, because, see, we can agree on something Smile


RMTer who admited has done transactions in multi-billions detected.

Would you mind to expose the way you bought so much isk without being banned?


read his past posts and notice how he said earlier he had multiple accs, doing mining and lot of other isk earning activities. its normal to share the money between your own accs which means he had transferred the billions between his ingame chars NOT RMT. That was to show you that if you got banned you most have done more than just share the money of your own accounts and are connected to RMT in some way (especially since you got that nice figure of how many RMTer got banned and unbanned, together with your past posts i quoted and linked earlier it clearly shows you are close with some RMT group)

but nice troll. its always a good way to "argue" on forums after you noticed people dont share your opinion and your real "arguments" have failed.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#52 - 2011-09-28 06:55:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Kogh Ayon wrote:
If you are so sure that I'm a rmter, why not just file a petition?


Seems you trust the full api more than than CCP's investigation. The same with me.



Well if you don't want to post your full API, there is still yet another alternative. You can ask a GM to audit your acounts for RMT/botting and publicise the results here. The GMs are constrained from discussing another player's behaviour in public, but in the past they've done so when the player challenged them to clear his name.

So let's trust CCP even more than your API, by all means. Please permit them to publish the results of an audit in this thread. If you've been wrongfully banned, I'm sure the CSM will be pleased to take up your case, or even a Dev.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2011-09-28 07:12:10 UTC
Gregor Palter wrote:
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Don't insult our intellegence


Even after the edit.

/facepalm


I know, posting with phones are Argh!
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#54 - 2011-09-28 20:04:11 UTC
Kogh Ayon wrote:


RMTer who admited has done transactions in multi-billions detected.

Would you mind to expose the way you bought so much isk without being banned?


Translation from the Russian: "I know you are, but what am I?"

Or in proper EVE-speak: "NO U."

OP:

Выйдите нашей игры, вас мразь!!



Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#55 - 2011-09-28 20:17:56 UTC
RMTer detected, gentlemen get to your tracking agents.

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.

Kogh Ayon
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2011-09-29 00:00:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Kogh Ayon
Malcanis wrote:

Well if you don't want to post your full API, there is still yet another alternative. You can ask a GM to audit your acounts for RMT/botting and publicise the results here. The GMs are constrained from discussing another player's behaviour in public, but in the past they've done so when the player challenged them to clear his name.

So let's trust CCP even more than your API, by all means. Please permit them to publish the results of an audit in this thread. If you've been wrongfully banned, I'm sure the CSM will be pleased to take up your case, or even a Dev.


I have no need to do that. But ok, I fully authorize you to ask a GM to audit my accounts for RMT or Botting. Feel free to start a post like "GM please investigate that if Kogh Ayon is a RMTer".
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#57 - 2011-09-29 00:08:41 UTC
Denidil wrote:
RMTer detected, gentlemen get to your tracking agents.


X.

Suicide-gank fitted 720mm Arty-Cane Twisted

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Cypermethren
Perkone
Caldari State
#58 - 2011-09-29 00:20:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cypermethren
you want to drag the issue to the forums?


So what if we go thru you're api and wallet history?


We'll probably see 3bil withdrawn here 4bil donated here on and off all over the place.

Only CCP can ever investigate those transactions and get to the truth , as they can see the logs from both sides. Hell, if you have a mate out of game and use skype or even talk to them personaly to ask for a loan or cash - ccp will never know as the chat went on outside their system of monitoring.




CCP should NOT be banning people for buying isk.

CCP should be hunting and banning the people that SUPPLY the isk to said websites.

Take out the RMT income - RMT isk prices skyrocket.

Plex prices remain whatever CCP wants them to be.


Result = Players choose to Plex instead of RMT, players still get isk, CCP gets all its money - everyone wins.


Why is CCP not banning the botters etc that feed the RMT market?

They're so deep in the incarnahole they dug they're afraid to loose more money by banning botting accounts, as they'd loose $14.99 per account per month, which after CCP took a dump in the community pool and made everyone run away screaming - they're **** scared to do right now, for fear of CCP being the only people left in said pool.


Isnt this a lovely viscious self destructive unproductive cycle we're in right now?

I'm glad i only resubbed for 1mth to forumtroll!




p.p.s - for people whom say he was picked up by CCP for transfering isk across his own characters is a lie. If all the accounts are IN HIS NAME - even a down syndrome sloth could do the math to work out its the same person moving funds around for himself. If he's got multiple accounts but they're in different names (badly bought characters?) then he's on the list for account sharing AND rmt. GJ OP!
Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#59 - 2011-09-29 01:18:50 UTC
Cypermethren wrote:
you want to drag the issue to the forums?


So what if we go thru you're api and wallet history?


We'll probably see 3bil withdrawn here 4bil donated here on and off all over the place.

Only CCP can ever investigate those transactions and get to the truth , as they can see the logs from both sides. Hell, if you have a mate out of game and use skype or even talk to them personaly to ask for a loan or cash - ccp will never know as the chat went on outside their system of monitoring.




CCP should NOT be banning people for buying isk.

CCP should be hunting and banning the people that SUPPLY the isk to said websites.

Take out the RMT income - RMT isk prices skyrocket.

Plex prices remain whatever CCP wants them to be.


Result = Players choose to Plex instead of RMT, players still get isk, CCP gets all its money - everyone wins.


Why is CCP not banning the botters etc that feed the RMT market?

They're so deep in the incarnahole they dug they're afraid to loose more money by banning botting accounts, as they'd loose $14.99 per account per month, which after CCP took a dump in the community pool and made everyone run away screaming - they're **** scared to do right now, for fear of CCP being the only people left in said pool.


Isnt this a lovely viscious self destructive unproductive cycle we're in right now?

I'm glad i only resubbed for 1mth to forumtroll!




p.p.s - for people whom say he was picked up by CCP for transfering isk across his own characters is a lie. If all the accounts are IN HIS NAME - even a down syndrome sloth could do the math to work out its the same person moving funds around for himself. If he's got multiple accounts but they're in different names (badly bought characters?) then he's on the list for account sharing AND rmt. GJ OP!


As I just said in another thread, if you think CCP will go after the supply side you are naive.

They ding the buyers every now and then... anyone dumb enough to get caught will buy from CCP next time around.

Going after the sellers would impact the business. No one in CCP management is THAT concerned about the ingame economy that they are going to destroy the A#1 0.0 powerblock that fuels the trade (not to mention the other groups that RMT like it's going out of style)

Understand how it fits into the REAL WORLD business model and you'll understand why they do not go after the sellers and why the ingame market impact is considered acceptable.

Fact is, if they actually wanted to end RMT they could lop off 80%+ of it.

They do not. What little measures they take against buyers is simply done so they can say "look! we're shutting them down!" because... could you imagine the fallout if they said "yeah we don't care about RMT, the better it does the better we do"???

CCP may be dumb, but they aren't THAT dumb.
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