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Pre-defined Probe Formations
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Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-08-27 11:02:13 UTC
Haxxi wrote:
Would it be possible to give us pre-defined probe formations?

Like i launch my probes, put them in a formation and then press a save button and the next time i launch probes i can choose the formation without having to move the probes around. It's just a waste of time to do it each time, especially when you scan systems for explo sites or whatever.



No, just no.

My other char is an explorer, both high, low and null just to be clear.

Having pre defined probe formations, although a noble suggestion, is just another step towards dumbing EVE down for the tards.

I understand it gives no advantage to actually finding sites, but damnit people learning the best way to find stuff, the most efficient and the fastest is what eve is all about fundementaly.
It's where the joy comes from when you find that formation that works for you and finds you a site within 30 seconds of dropping, this idea to me, is dumbing down.

People can moan and say 'but its not dumbing down its just making it faster ect' and i'd reply, your right, but still, GTFO and learn to scan like everybody else instead of wanting an easy(er) butan.

Next we'll be seeing suggestions of 'hey, hows about when jumping through a gate, we all automatically get planted at our optimals to make taking on gate camps easier'. You can mock but i bet its been thought about by some idiots already even if it hadnt been posted.

Leave scanning as it is and dont fix what isnt broken.

Learn to play eve, instead of wanting to change eve to make it easier for yourself. EVE is hard, i knew this before making an account, and its the primary reason i bothered signing up, i dont want hand holding, i want to be punished for stupid mistakes, and i want to be proud of myself for my once bitten twice shy outlook regarding Eden when i dodge that camp/bubble whatever else.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-08-27 11:05:22 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Matter of fact, removing tedium makes things smarter as intelligent game and UI design makes mundane and repetitive tasks a non-issue.



It's like forcing me kill red crosses to get enough isk to buy pvp ships and go miserably die with some friends. Why shouldn't I get my wallet blinking when I kill or help to kill by any means or form, an enemy?

I want to log in and go kill spaceships.

PS: it's quite obvious the "tedious" part of the game is made so people spend more time playing the game. IT's also part of any MMO but in Eve specific case some things like probing are not the kind of task that brings retention, it's just plain tedious.
Making so we could save our own probe formations just like fittings is not and will never be a dumbing down like many idiots tend to think, it's just giving tools to players so they can spend more time doing things they enjoy, and for sure more players would get involved with probing and that I think is the real problem for some around.

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-08-27 11:09:10 UTC
Roxwar wrote:
Haxxi wrote:
Would it be possible to give us pre-defined probe formations?

Like i launch my probes, put them in a formation and then press a save button and the next time i launch probes i can choose the formation without having to move the probes around. It's just a waste of time to do it each time, especially when you scan systems for explo sites or whatever.



No, just no.

My other char is an explorer, both high, low and null just to be clear.

Having pre defined probe formations, although a noble suggestion, is just another step towards dumbing EVE down for the tards.

I understand it gives no advantage to actually finding sites, but damnit people learning the best way to find stuff, the most efficient and the fastest is what eve is all about fundementaly.
It's where the joy comes from when you find that formation that works for you and finds you a site within 30 seconds of dropping, this idea to me, is dumbing down.

People can moan and say 'but its not dumbing down its just making it faster ect' and i'd reply, your right, but still, GTFO and learn to scan like everybody else instead of wanting an easy(er) butan.

Next we'll be seeing suggestions of 'hey, hows about when jumping through a gate, we all automatically get planted at our optimals to make taking on gate camps easier'. You can mock but i bet its been thought about by some idiots already even if it hadnt been posted.

Leave scanning as it is and dont fix what isnt broken.

Learn to play eve, instead of wanting to change eve to make it easier for yourself. EVE is hard, i knew this before making an account, and its the primary reason i bothered signing up, i dont want hand holding, i want to be punished for stupid mistakes, and i want to be proud of myself for my once bitten twice shy outlook regarding Eden when i dodge that camp/bubble whatever else.



So since this option for saving probes formation looks to you as something that will make instantly everyone capable to find sites and become the probing star, I guess you are ok to move away fittings saving because it's exactly the same thing.
If you can't or don't want to admit it's exactly the same thing then you're just being bitter because you can.

brb
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#64 - 2012-08-27 11:12:24 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
for sure more players would get involved with probing and that I think is the real problem for some around.


I think it's more to do with elitism. It seems some players are annoyed because it took them 5 minutes to figure out how to deploy their probes and that makes them better than the noob scum who can't be bothered to figure it out. Of course they haven't bothered to read the topic so they don't realise that this isn't even what is being suggested... They just skim over a couple of sentences and a quiet rage begins to grow within their gut, forcing them to litter the thread with their oh-so-important opinions.

Oh god.
Ensign X
#65 - 2012-08-27 13:24:30 UTC
Roxwar wrote:
Haxxi wrote:
Would it be possible to give us pre-defined probe formations?

Like i launch my probes, put them in a formation and then press a save button and the next time i launch probes i can choose the formation without having to move the probes around. It's just a waste of time to do it each time, especially when you scan systems for explo sites or whatever.


No, just no.

My other char is an explorer, both high, low and null just to be clear.

Having pre defined probe formations, although a noble suggestion, is just another step towards dumbing EVE down for the tards.


Congratulations on either a) Not reading the OP, or b) Failing to understand it. Although, more likely a combination of the two.

The OP did not suggest that predefined probe formations would be handed to people on a silver platter. He was suggesting, quite clearly I might add, that we be given the option of saving formations that we create. It's still up to the pilot to create the formation on his own, without his hand being held and save that formation for future use.

Nobody becomes dumber if this suggestion is ever implemented and EVE does not become any easier than it already is. it simply diminishes one of the tedious click-fests that can and often does occur with EVE's poorly designed UI.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#66 - 2012-08-27 13:32:00 UTC
Why scan at all?

It would be even less time if all the signatures just appeared on your overview, and you could choose from a context-sensitive dropdown menu your options:

- receive loot to cargo hold
- sell loot in Jita
- create cargo contract for gas/ore
- refine ore
- enter amount of melted nanoribbons
- send AHARM/TLOST/EXHALE/VoC to evict inhabitants

And you would receive free bacon with every choice.

.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#67 - 2012-08-27 13:45:08 UTC
Fine Idea

Dumbing it down would be giving them an effective deployment in the preset. But thats not what is happening. You are just letting them save the configurations they come up with.

They still have to move and shuffle them to pin the scans.
What is the big deal?

Primary Test Subject • SmackTalker Elite
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#68 - 2012-08-27 13:53:31 UTC
Completely agree.

Probing is something I've not really done much of in the 6 years playing purely because it is an annoying mess just setting up your probes in the first place.

Ability to save a few configurations would make probing less of a chore for everyone.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-08-27 16:32:52 UTC
Roxwar wrote:
Haxxi wrote:
Would it be possible to give us pre-defined probe formations?

Like i launch my probes, put them in a formation and then press a save button and the next time i launch probes i can choose the formation without having to move the probes around. It's just a waste of time to do it each time, especially when you scan systems for explo sites or whatever.



No, just no.

My other char is an explorer, both high, low and null just to be clear.

Having pre defined probe formations, although a noble suggestion, is just another step towards dumbing EVE down for the tards.

I understand it gives no advantage to actually finding sites, but damnit people learning the best way to find stuff, the most efficient and the fastest is what eve is all about fundementaly.
It's where the joy comes from when you find that formation that works for you and finds you a site within 30 seconds of dropping, this idea to me, is dumbing down.

People can moan and say 'but its not dumbing down its just making it faster ect' and i'd reply, your right, but still, GTFO and learn to scan like everybody else instead of wanting an easy(er) butan.

Next we'll be seeing suggestions of 'hey, hows about when jumping through a gate, we all automatically get planted at our optimals to make taking on gate camps easier'. You can mock but i bet its been thought about by some idiots already even if it hadnt been posted.

Leave scanning as it is and dont fix what isnt broken.

Learn to play eve, instead of wanting to change eve to make it easier for yourself. EVE is hard, i knew this before making an account, and its the primary reason i bothered signing up, i dont want hand holding, i want to be punished for stupid mistakes, and i want to be proud of myself for my once bitten twice shy outlook regarding Eden when i dodge that camp/bubble whatever else.

Plain stupid reaction, having the option of saving a probe layout doesn't dumb-down the game, just like having filters to restrict what sigs are returned doesn't. The guys still need to learn how to use the probes, how to position them and then save a layout.
Same silly complain as those who whined when someone suggested corporate bookmarks, because really, EVE is some much more l33t/hardcore if you have to stack them in a can to share them with your corp.

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