EVE General Discussion

It's pretty nice when you get lucky and manage to jam that logistics ship with your blackbird. Then you might just pop after (usually before) that but oh well.

Just one problem: you're the one being dishonest here. I am not saying it's the only counter — the people defending ECM do, and I'm reminding them of what happens when that argument comes up. I'm saying that when people start brandishing the “bring your own” defence, your odds have drastically improved that the mechanic will be changed in short order, and that it's probably not an argument anyone should rely on to try to show that there is no problem since it only ever shows the exact opposite.

So you can drop the ignorant strawman arguments now and start reading. It'll do you no end of good.

No, you haven't. You haven't even responded to the issues. You've left them completely unanswered so I can still only conclude that you agree with my assessment since you are so unable to come up with any kind of counter-argument, much less a rejection. You have responded to various strawman arguments, and that's your problem. Your fallacies are your problem, not mine.

So, again, if you want to argue the points I've made, do so, or I can only conclude that you agree. I would also suggest reading them first so you know what to respond to…

…tbh, making ewar damaging much in the way of normal weapons could be an interesting way to go. We already have module damage and ways of repairing it, after all…

Anyway, I was mainly talking about the effects it has on your detection ability and how some of them are simulated quite nicely by the other ewar types, whereas ECM is radically different and how it renders the others rather meaningless.

When I was talking about messing with the overview, I was rather thinking about simply removing information from it — not about removing targets. Eg. suddenly all ship types are replaced with ”small, medium, large” and/or names are blotted out. Or you lose things like range and tracking, as well as the damage indicators under your locked targets. With this kind of scheme, it might even be possible to get rid of the whole random nature and make it gradated instead: the better the jamming strength compared to sensor strength, the more information is lost and at the extreme end of the spectrum, you're just given a list of [unknown pilot] [unknown ship] and you have to rely on visual identification through your camera drones to pick your targets.

The main point is that it needs to be something different than “render all targeted modules useless” because that's just too wide-ranging an effect. If the random nature can be removed as well, that would be a bonus.

You hit the nail on the head. Losing ships is not a big deal, but losing ships while you don't even get to play but only watch is not fun.

Locking out the victim so they can no longer play but only watch is not the best mechanic in the world to begin with. Making it ridiculously easy to perma-lock makes a bad mechanic terrible. Add some crazy range to this terrible mod and you made a terrible mechanic the worse mechanic in video game history.

The fact that a single ship (not even necessarily a falcon, but even Griffins and Blackbirds.) can completely lock down multiple enemy ships indefinitely, at a range the victim can not possibly fight back is OP. ECCM is a total fail counter, besides gimping your fit they are terribly noneffective at what they do. The only counter to ECM is ECM of your own. That's bad balance when the only counter for a mod/drones is to use that mod/drones yourself.

no lube?

OR the skill and knowledge helped you deal with the fact that people might show up with ECM and you prepared for it.

are we talking honorable 1vs1 fights again? this is eve goddammit - it is not support to be fair

Not the worst idea for a solution:

ECCM Burst - Breaks any current active (and working) ECM on your ship, maybe an "X" second immunity on top of that? Give it a reasonable cycle time , maybe 1/2 to the same of a standard ECM module. A good ECM pilot can counter by staggering or carefully applying each ECM module. You can still get perma jammed but it requires the ECM pilot to work for it. Plus if there is an immunity attached to it a ship with sufficient mids could potentially make themselves unjammable.

Well maybe it'll be good enough that people will fit it, unlike with ECCM, but ...

People will still lose "because of falcon" and so on, thus they revert to no anti-ECM modules and whining.

To op

becouse eve has become cry online

All ppl seem to do is cry nurf this nurf that instead of thinking of counters to a situation

ecm ships are specialised there are other specialised ships to counter them but its easyer to cry to ccp and get spoon fed nurfs

Nerfing ECM would make cloak gangs much less viable. So I'm against this.

I strongly recommend you never make this comparison again. I work on that stuff for a living. Any modern jamming system will do its best to literaly burn out your entire sensor suite, thus requiring you to retire from battle entirely and pay a visit to your local friendly maintenance battalion before you can do more than fire a gun straight forward.