EVE General Discussion

It is easy to counter use drones / FOF missile's / sensor damps and possibly some others its not the best EW its a good one i admit that but can be countered if you work around countering it.

Each EW weapon as such is used for debuffing a enamy ship if used right most people are going to call OP about it but why so much on ECM?

So i ask again why are people so butt hurt about it?

ECM does work on NPCs.

Its because when I've locked and pointed something no other ECM can get that point off till I'm dead.

ECM can, and it can do it to 4 others if the ecm is from a falcon. It also now has me ****** because I'm pointed and now unable to control range because my web stops functioning.

In small gang ECM shuts everything down, other forms of EW do not. Sensor damps could do it but its hard to get a lock range down to within inside point range.

Because they need excuses for being bad at pvp.

Yeah, haha, it does. I found out by accident when I undocked a mission ship with EC-300 Drones instead of Combat drones.

It's because the basic effect of ECM is simply bad gameplay. Getting killed is never exactly enjoyable, but getting killed while you can just twidle your thumbs and pray for the goddess of RNG to smile on you is just terrible. It just takes too much control and options away from the victim. It doesn't exactly help when the counters, outside of having more people, aren't exactly great against anything else.

This isn't just a problem with EVE though. Similar effects are in many games and in most of them there are game mechanics in place to prevent it from working longer then a few seconds at a time with a temporary immunity provided to the victims afterwards. Even in pen and paper games veteran managers avoid using certain enemies, because a bad roll of dice can make it so, that the players can only sit and watch as they are slowly beaten to death and they can only pray for a good dice roll to be able to do something, as in actually play the game. It has never been a good mechanic in any game and only seems to be workable when you put severe limitations on it's use. Something EVE currently doesn't do, so people will complain until the day such restrictions are put in place or ECM is finally changed to something else.

Because the only way to counter ECM is to fit to counter ECM. This completely gimps your fit, while at the same time means you've wasted a slot if you don't encounter ECM.

Let me put it this way:

Sensor dampening: You can fit a sensor booster, which also increases your lock time and lock range.
Energy neutralizing: You can fit a cap booster, which will be very useful for keeping you alive in any real fight.
Tracking disruption: You can web your enemy and fit more tracky ammo, both of which will mean you hit while disrupted.
Target painting: Lol. Man up and take slightly more damage.
Webbing: Gotta go fast.
Pointing: Commit to the fight.

Then we come to ECM:
ECM: Fit a gimpy module which only decreases the chance of you being locked down, not stops it, and wastes a slot because it has no other beneficial effect.

Ya, like your last thought here states, that first sentence is very incorrect. ReSensor Damps ftw. The falcon happens to be really good at ECM, but if you get an Arazu or...(can't remember the force recon version) you'll probably be able to harvest tears, too.

…except that they are also subject to ECM, that they are quite weak in comparison, and that there is absolutely no guarantee that they will let you get rid of the ECM source.

Again, the reason ECM is such a sore point is that it is does something no other ewar does: it completely locks you out of the fight. All you can do is try to fly off and hope that no-one else is there to prevent you from doing that as well. Its only actual counter also has no additional benefits (and no guaranteed results) unlike the counter-modules for all other ewar. That double-whammy is quite ridiculous: massively larger effect from the ewar itself, massively smaller benefit from the counter-ewar.

This also hints at what needs to be done to it: make it less crippling and make the counter relevant to other tasks.

…and of course, on top of this, there's the random nature, which is frustrating in and of itself, and the curiously and pointlessly long cycles that offers no differentiation between different ships and classes. As DSQ points out, it pretty much combines all kinds of bad gameplay in one neat package.

Or ECCM.

Nothing like watching a Tier 3 BC hit a Falcon because it couldn't get its jam off in time - they soon leave the field.