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Unlimited TRIAL PERIOD
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#81 - 2012-08-27 16:36:24 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:


I have 2 alts all in one account.Tried buying a mining alt, got bored and gave it back. That is my full alt story.
But more in point, HOW someone is an Alt recycler?How?I am not sarcastic I honestly cant understand it.Even botters would prefer paying accounts because with the tremendous difference in yield compared mining frigate alts they can simply pay the bots wth plexes (aka free) and still have tons more of income than using trials.
I think you created Case C so you could find something to say.


Likely story!

That's exactly what an alt recycler would want us to think.

I refuse to believe that you're as clueless as you're claiming to be.

:)

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-08-27 16:38:05 UTC
Elvis Fett wrote:
If we are only looking at new people, the OPs suggestion of unlimited free trials is not a bad one. We would probably see an increase in subs, as well as a large increase of cannon fodder flying around. There are enough restrictions on trial accounts that people interested in EVE will still sub. It definitely doesn't make the game F2P.

Really the problem with unlimited trials lies within the current EVE players, they would abuse the hell out of it. That is why there will never be unlimited free trials in EVE. Bunches of people will use these trial accounts as scouts. Plenty of people multi-box using multiple boxes, as opposed to one PC with multiple monitors. You would also have vets using trial accounts to bake characters. Unlimited trials would just not work in EVE.


Gillia Winddancer wrote:
If EVE was to go unlimited trial CCP would be forced to disable multiboxing for free accounts. Not doing so would spell doom and disaster for the EVE market. Doom and disaster I say!

This is already in place, if you are logged on with a trial account that is the only account that can be logged on on that computer. But if you have multiple computers (like a PC and a laptop which I am sure many people have), well then it's real easy to get around that. There would be no way to stop multiboxing from multiple computers.


Multiple computers, but not multiple IP addresses. I believe that the external IP is always the same from a modem, right?

And how many would actively try and spoof addresses? Even then it is not too hard to detect such activities.
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#83 - 2012-08-27 16:40:19 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Ghost of Truth wrote:


I have 2 alts all in one account.Tried buying a mining alt, got bored and gave it back. That is my full alt story.
But more in point, HOW someone is an Alt recycler?How?I am not sarcastic I honestly cant understand it.Even botters would prefer paying accounts because with the tremendous difference in yield compared mining frigate alts they can simply pay the bots wth plexes (aka free) and still have tons more of income than using trials.
I think you created Case C so you could find something to say.


Likely story!

That's exactly what an alt recycler would want us to think.

I refuse to believe that you're as clueless as you're claiming to be.

:)

Just remember to take your tin foil hat while you leave.
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#84 - 2012-08-27 17:09:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost of Truth
Quote:

I'll state it again, the trials do not need extending any more than they currently are, it's the model that CCP have chosen. What new players would benefit most from are experienced players offering sound advice and pointing those new players in the right direction to help them find the information they need.




CCP has chosen 14 because 14 days trial was the norm in all the other MMOGs when EVE was first created.But that was used on theme park MMORGPs, no like the game we play.As years go by, new options are used in EVE (see above, 60 days) indicating that even they are not happy with the state of trial.And you keep saying that both giving more teial time AND having experienced players helping new guys is not feasible.
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#85 - 2012-08-27 17:18:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost of Truth
Gillia Winddancer wrote:
Elvis Fett wrote:
If we are only looking at new people, the OPs suggestion of unlimited free trials is not a bad one. We would probably see an increase in subs, as well as a large increase of cannon fodder flying around. There are enough restrictions on trial accounts that people interested in EVE will still sub. It definitely doesn't make the game F2P.

Really the problem with unlimited trials lies within the current EVE players, they would abuse the hell out of it. That is why there will never be unlimited free trials in EVE. Bunches of people will use these trial accounts as scouts. Plenty of people multi-box using multiple boxes, as opposed to one PC with multiple monitors. You would also have vets using trial accounts to bake characters. Unlimited trials would just not work in EVE.


Gillia Winddancer wrote:
If EVE was to go unlimited trial CCP would be forced to disable multiboxing for free accounts. Not doing so would spell doom and disaster for the EVE market. Doom and disaster I say!

This is already in place, if you are logged on with a trial account that is the only account that can be logged on on that computer. But if you have multiple computers (like a PC and a laptop which I am sure many people have), well then it's real easy to get around that. There would be no way to stop multiboxing from multiple computers.


Multiple computers, but not multiple IP addresses. I believe that the external IP is always the same from a modem, right?

And how many would actively try and spoof addresses? Even then it is not too hard to detect such activities.



The restrictions are there already against trial abusing from vets.You can't log another sub if you have a trial on, and if you want to use trial accounts for scouting nothing stops you from doing it right now and simply reroll at the end of the trial as people have suggested.But rerolls are not tedious (supposedly versus using a premium alt) for a vet because he is already enjoys the game as it is.More trial doesn't help vets, it will only just make new guys harder to get to.