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Unlimited TRIAL PERIOD
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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-08-25 20:01:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Ghost of Truth wrote:

So what is your point?That your are awesome?Special? OK you are.What about the less awesome than you?


Darwin will sort them out.


Darwin doesn't pay CCP bills....

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#22 - 2012-08-25 20:57:39 UTC
f2p sucks. quasi-f2p sucks. This is just a next step to making EVE f2p - and sucks.
Trial run out and not sure about a sub? Stop sucking and start another.
And especially this would suck for the buddy program, as who is going to want to give so much help to newbies that just want to freeload and never make a decision to sub months on end? ...and suck.
Darwin is dead, that sucker had it wrong, it's de-evolution, this thread as example.
This thread sucks.

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Gunny Sack
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-08-25 21:00:44 UTC
you're talking free to play model and you can stfu
Pipa Porto
#24 - 2012-08-25 21:06:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
VMware, ISBoxer, 100 mining Frigates (on Trials) and 1 Orca (paid Acct).


An unlimited trial allows you to trade Computing power for a free mining fleet.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#25 - 2012-08-25 21:38:38 UTC
James 315 wrote:
A 30-day trial might make sense, give them time enough to *almost* train for the stuff that's locked.

They had, around the end of 2011, 60 day special trials.

I joined on one of those actually, as did many newbies in GSF since people were giving codes to newbies who were being enticed to play. Joke was on us though, branch war turned into a lot of shooting structures in a blackbird with Boat.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Rengerel en Distel
#26 - 2012-08-25 22:13:19 UTC
I too, like the OP, would like unlimited FW alts for free.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#27 - 2012-08-25 22:19:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James 315 wrote:
A 30-day trial might make sense, give them time enough to *almost* train for the stuff that's locked.

They had, around the end of 2011, 60 day special trials.

I joined on one of those actually, as did many newbies in GSF since people were giving codes to newbies who were being enticed to play. Joke was on us though, branch war turned into a lot of shooting structures in a blackbird with Boat.



So CCP does give more days and the game didn't crash...why not permanent?
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#28 - 2012-08-25 22:27:32 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
So CCP does give more days and the game didn't crash...why not permanent?

tl;dr?

I'm in it for the money

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-08-25 22:35:45 UTC
Can't be serious.

0/10
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#30 - 2012-08-25 22:58:07 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
Can't be serious.

0/10


Dead serious.I am thinking of making the game I like better.What have people suggested on the Marketing or Promotion side of the game?Everyone is bitching about their little side of the Sandbox, "Oh noes miners are buffed'"oh noes They are ganging the miners".
Ultimate decision is on CCP and nothing I,you or anyone else says changes that. Giving ideas however, whether bad or good is in our hands, especially if we consider that are people out there that might enjoyed the game yet find the first days on EVE hell.I would drop the last 2 expansions in an instant if ihad ONE that brings more players here.
Pipa Porto
#31 - 2012-08-25 23:01:47 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James 315 wrote:
A 30-day trial might make sense, give them time enough to *almost* train for the stuff that's locked.

They had, around the end of 2011, 60 day special trials.

I joined on one of those actually, as did many newbies in GSF since people were giving codes to newbies who were being enticed to play. Joke was on us though, branch war turned into a lot of shooting structures in a blackbird with Boat.



So CCP does give more days and the game didn't crash...why not permanent?


Same reason there's the buddy program instead of giving everyone a 21d trial.
The people who received 60d trials had a social hook into the game (the player that invited them), and thus were much more likely to convert into paid subs.
(By the way, this is why GW and Dreddit have such high retention on newbies; they're not alone when they start.)

In fact, the best way to get people to join is to have your friend join via buddy program, then give them a PLEX and have them upgrade immediately. They get a 51d "Trial" that's entirely unrestricted and it costs you nothing.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#32 - 2012-08-25 23:12:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost of Truth
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ghost of Truth wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
James 315 wrote:
A 30-day trial might make sense, give them time enough to *almost* train for the stuff that's locked.

They had, around the end of 2011, 60 day special trials.

I joined on one of those actually, as did many newbies in GSF since people were giving codes to newbies who were being enticed to play. Joke was on us though, branch war turned into a lot of shooting structures in a blackbird with Boat.



So CCP does give more days and the game didn't crash...why not permanent?


Same reason there's the buddy program instead of giving everyone a 21d trial.
The people who received 60d trials had a social hook into the game (the player that invited them), and thus were much more likely to convert into paid subs.
(By the way, this is why GW and Dreddit have such high retention on newbies; they're not alone when they start.)

In fact, the best way to get people to join is to have your friend join via buddy program, then give them a PLEX and have them upgrade immediately. They get a 51d "Trial" that's entirely unrestricted and it costs you nothing.


So as I said, People that have someone to show them what Eve really is have about +7 (buddy) to +37(special offer+plex) more days than random guy without help except Aura (and we know how good that is, SO MANY people not even knowing what warp is FFS) who has just 14.And not one person sees any wrong here.Unlimited might be too long.But It needs more days.And a way for rookies to contact interested corps at their first day, if not hour.
Josef Djugashvilis
#33 - 2012-08-25 23:17:31 UTC
I paid up seven days into my trial.

I did not have a clue what to do, but it all seemed interesting enough to pay for.

I used to mine in an Iteron, but I learned a lot from folk laughing at me in local and giving me good advice.

Started with a -3 month subscriptions to make sure then went to annual sub.

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Pipa Porto
#34 - 2012-08-25 23:17:36 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
So as I said, People that have a someone to show them what Eve really about +7 (buddy) to +37(special offer+plex) more days than random guy without help except Aura (and we know how good that is, SO MANY people not even knowing what warp is FFS) who has just 14.And no one person sees any wrong here.Unlimited might be to long.But It need more days.And a way for rookies to contact interested corps at their first day, if not hour.


Without social connections, people are pretty likely to quit. Letting them skill up longer for free isn't going to change that.

If they're on the fence about the game after 14 days, they can start a new trial. They can do this as often as they like.

There is a way for newbies to contact corps their first day. The Recruitment forums and the IG Recruitment Utility (which the Tutorial points you to).

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#35 - 2012-08-25 23:32:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ghost of Truth
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ghost of Truth wrote:
So as I said, People that have a someone to show them what Eve really about +7 (buddy) to +37(special offer+plex) more days than random guy without help except Aura (and we know how good that is, SO MANY people not even knowing what warp is FFS) who has just 14.And no one person sees any wrong here.Unlimited might be to long.But It need more days.And a way for rookies to contact interested corps at their first day, if not hour.


Without social connections, people are pretty likely to quit. Letting them skill up longer for free isn't going to change that.

If they're on the fence about the game after 14 days, they can start a new trial. They can do this as often as they like.

There is a way for newbies to contact corps their first day. The Recruitment forums and the IG Recruitment Utility (which the Tutorial points you to).

But if they are not in the fence yet? Because that's my point on the whole thread, the things that are Fun are unlikely to be in the 14 day period.Also what are the chances that someone is going to do the resub,Char selection,basic skill training all over again?

P.S. For people saying "I did it well' of course you did or you wouldn't be here to discuss it.But how many people do we lost for you or me that are not here?How many times all these years have they revised the tutorial?This is a hard game guys, and you should be proud to make it this far, but CCP needs to make money, and we to have new targets to shoot or have fun together.Or both
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#36 - 2012-08-25 23:41:31 UTC
I'll tell you what I think in a nutshell.

If you haven't figured out in two weeks whether or not this game is for you then it isn't.

Mr Epeen Cool
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#37 - 2012-08-26 00:31:09 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
I'll tell you what I think in a nutshell.

If you haven't figured out in two weeks whether or not this game is for you then it isn't.

Mr Epeen Cool

Really?What makes you think so?have you seen nullsec PVP?Incursions?FW?Remember, not just one type of game play but as much as possible. Especially without someone holding your hand.
Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
#38 - 2012-08-26 00:32:05 UTC
Infinite trial mode or in reality free to play would be great for CCP. This would be a perfect plex sink for CCP. let those players in cruisers farm farm farm as long as they want to get enough isk to buy that plex and start training more skills. Or let those sub cap players kill other players and generate content.
If you run out of game time, your skills are locked into what you could only learn in trial.
Eve becomes more obviously play to win.

In trial mode, SP wont passively grow after... say 5m SP
Ghost of Truth
Mad Dawg Industries
#39 - 2012-08-26 00:35:31 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Infinite trial mode or in reality free to play would be great for CCP. This would be a perfect plex sink for CCP. let those players in cruisers farm farm farm as long as they want to get enough isk to buy that plex and start training more skills. Or let those sub cap players kill other players and generate content.
If you run out of game time, your skills are locked into what you could only learn in trial.
Eve becomes more obviously play to win.

In trial mode, SP wont passively grow after... say 5m SP


However, THAT s not what I am saying.After you added a PLEX you go to premium account.End of trial.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#40 - 2012-08-26 00:42:25 UTC
Ghost of Truth wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
I'll tell you what I think in a nutshell.

If you haven't figured out in two weeks whether or not this game is for you then it isn't.

Mr Epeen Cool

Really?What makes you think so?have you seen nullsec PVP?Incursions?FW?Remember, not just one type of game play but as much as possible. Especially without someone holding your hand.


There are two things to do in this game. PVP or PVE. Sure they are wrapped in different packages but that's what it boils down to. The same mechanics apply to level 1 missions that apply to incursions. By the same token, FW is just null sec with a few more rules.

You don't do a trial to play the game. You do a trial to test the basics and decide if you would like to give it a serious run.

There is plenty of time in two weeks to get a taste for the basics.

Mr Epeen Cool