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Alara IonStorm
#1 - 2012-08-25 00:40:15 UTC
But don't feel bad because you could be getting the sequel in as little as 10 years if he smiles enough and fakes being nice.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/editorials/the-right-decision-on-breivik/article4497841/

Should maximum sentence laws really apply to multiple murders?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-08-25 01:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
There will be no deviation from "the plan" Straight

*Edit: Also the guy that shot Lenin was up for parole last week for the 7th time... it was denied.

Just because they CAN be paroled doesn't mean they ever will. Killing 77 people is pretty much grounds that he'll never be let out

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Bommel McMurdoc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-08-25 04:11:32 UTC
I think Surfin' means, John Lennon. Just in case anyone else was boggled by the "Lenin" as I was. =P
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-08-25 04:12:47 UTC
Bommel McMurdoc wrote:
I think Surfin' means, John Lennon. Just in case anyone else was boggled by the "Lenin" as I was. =P


Yeah sure, him. I stopped correcting it when the red lines went away Big smile

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Alara IonStorm
#5 - 2012-08-25 04:21:50 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:

*Edit: Also the guy that shot Lenin was up for parole last week for the 7th time... it was denied.

Just because they CAN be paroled doesn't mean they ever will. Killing 77 people is pretty much grounds that he'll never be let out

His sentence is 21 years and while there is a law that can technically keep him in, it relies on him not acting nice and pretending to reform like a school bully. More then likely it looks like 21 years.

That aside I'm just saying maximum sentencing seems like a dumb thing.
Bommel McMurdoc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-08-25 04:26:03 UTC
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html

check that out, and the max sentence in Norway is 21 years. They are all about rehabilitation.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-08-25 04:27:11 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:

*Edit: Also the guy that shot Lenin was up for parole last week for the 7th time... it was denied.

Just because they CAN be paroled doesn't mean they ever will. Killing 77 people is pretty much grounds that he'll never be let out

His sentence is 21 years and while there is a law that can technically keep him in, it relies on him not acting nice and pretending to reform like a school bully. More then likely it looks like 21 years.

That aside I'm just saying maximum sentencing seems like a dumb thing.


Law is a strange thing, best not to think about it too much P

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Alara IonStorm
#8 - 2012-08-25 04:39:08 UTC
Bommel McMurdoc wrote:

check that out, and the max sentence in Norway is 21 years. They are all about rehabilitation.

I get rehabilitation and even though it is very hard especially for families of victims I understand it for murderers.

But serial killers, spree killers that I don't understand. I think there is a limit where you just gotta say no you can't come back to society, it is just too big a risk for everyone who didn't murder a whole bunch of people.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-08-25 04:40:10 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Bommel McMurdoc wrote:

check that out, and the max sentence in Norway is 21 years. They are all about rehabilitation.

I get rehabilitation and even though it is very hard especially for families of victims I understand it for murderers.

But serial killers, spree killers that I don't understand. I think there is a limit where you just gotta say no you can't come back to society, it is just too big a risk for everyone who didn't murder a whole bunch of people.


No no no, mass murder.... not a serial killer Bear

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#10 - 2012-08-25 05:31:42 UTC
Bommel McMurdoc wrote:
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1989083,00.html

check that out, and the max sentence in Norway is 21 years. They are all about rehabilitation.


Something tells me the guy isn't about rehabilitation. Having said that though, if I were to ever go to prison I sure hope its that one. Looks like it would sure beat an American cell where your bunk mate will most likely try to kill you the first night your there.

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Shalia Ripper
#11 - 2012-08-25 08:37:03 UTC
Bommel McMurdoc wrote:
I think Surfin' means, John Lennon. Just in case anyone else was boggled by the "Lenin" as I was. =P



She had the wrong Communist. It happens.

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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-08-25 17:35:55 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
But don't feel bad because you could be getting the sequel in as little as 10 years if he smiles enough and fakes being nice.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/editorials/the-right-decision-on-breivik/article4497841/

Should maximum sentence laws really apply to multiple murders?


He will stay in for a long time.

As it happens, I am pretty satisfied with the prison system in my counter (Norway). I don't get the petty revenge fueled system in say US.

As for "only" 21 years... 21 years is a pretty damn long time. Its the entire youth of his life in a small cell with no freedom. And it is likely he will stay in 'forvaring' even longer.
Rana Ash
Gradient
Electus Matari
#13 - 2012-08-25 17:47:33 UTC
Even if he gets out after 21 years, it would'nt suprise me if someone killed him. Just for to be the guy/girl whom killed Breivik
Bommel McMurdoc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-08-25 17:47:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Bommel McMurdoc
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
But don't feel bad because you could be getting the sequel in as little as 10 years if he smiles enough and fakes being nice.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/editorials/the-right-decision-on-breivik/article4497841/

Should maximum sentence laws really apply to multiple murders?


He will stay in for a long time.

As it happens, I am pretty satisfied with the prison system in my counter (Norway). I don't get the petty revenge fueled system in say US.

As for "only" 21 years... 21 years is a pretty damn long time. Its the entire youth of his life in a small cell with no freedom. And it is likely he will stay in 'forvaring' even longer.


I am an american and I'll be honest, I'm not entirely sure i agree with the long term incarceration of our offenders either. I mean, locking people up for most of their lives without any real introduction to the world as it would be once they are released on parole, if at all. Prisons can be a really horrible place for people, mentally and physically.

my question to you is, the offenders in the norwegian penal system, when they are released then what? what does your gov't do when the prisoner is granted release ? Does norway provide them with training to be a productive member of society? Mental health rehabilitation?
Ensign X
#15 - 2012-08-25 17:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ensign X
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:

*Edit: Also the guy that shot Lenin was up for parole last week for the 7th time... it was denied.

Just because they CAN be paroled doesn't mean they ever will. Killing 77 people is pretty much grounds that he'll never be let out

His sentence is 21 years and while there is a law that can technically keep him in, it relies on him not acting nice and pretending to reform like a school bully. More then likely it looks like 21 years.

That aside I'm just saying maximum sentencing seems like a dumb thing.


There is next to zero percent chance that he'll be out before he dies. 21 years is the sentence, or 14 weeks for each of his 77 victims, but Norwegian law allows for that to be extended indefinitely in cases such as this. That said, much of the rest of the world could seriously learn a few lessons from how Norwegians and their justice system have handled this whole situation.

Bommel McMurdoc wrote:
my question to you is, the offenders in the norwegian penal system, when they are released then what? what does your gov't do when the prisoner is granted release ? Does norway provide them with training to be a productive member of society? Mental health rehabilitation?


From what I have understand, the Norwegian system places a much greater emphasis on rehabilitation of offenders as opposed to the American system which stresses punitive measures and long, drawn-out sentences with little to no training or rehabilitation.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#16 - 2012-08-25 18:04:38 UTC
Prisons that look like hotels... nice.

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SpaceSquirrels
#17 - 2012-08-26 13:11:37 UTC
Ahh for the old ole days when they just put everyone to the axe or burning stakes... Not cause you deserved it...(Most of the time you didnt) rather cause they didnt want to deal with you.
Alara IonStorm
#18 - 2012-08-26 13:20:38 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Ahh for the old ole days when they just put everyone to the axe or burning stakes... Not cause you deserved it...(Most of the time you didnt) rather cause they didnt want to deal with you.

That equates to maximum time served laws and a guy who killed about 70 adolescents and injured over 200 people how?

You are right though. In this particular case this is not a guy who I want to deal with. Witch's however are fine in my books.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-08-27 21:58:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Sidus Isaacs
Bommel McMurdoc wrote:
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
But don't feel bad because you could be getting the sequel in as little as 10 years if he smiles enough and fakes being nice.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/editorials/the-right-decision-on-breivik/article4497841/

Should maximum sentence laws really apply to multiple murders?


He will stay in for a long time.

As it happens, I am pretty satisfied with the prison system in my counter (Norway). I don't get the petty revenge fueled system in say US.

As for "only" 21 years... 21 years is a pretty damn long time. Its the entire youth of his life in a small cell with no freedom. And it is likely he will stay in 'forvaring' even longer.


I am an american and I'll be honest, I'm not entirely sure i agree with the long term incarceration of our offenders either. I mean, locking people up for most of their lives without any real introduction to the world as it would be once they are released on parole, if at all. Prisons can be a really horrible place for people, mentally and physically.

my question to you is, the offenders in the norwegian penal system, when they are released then what? what does your gov't do when the prisoner is granted release ? Does norway provide them with training to be a productive member of society? Mental health rehabilitation?


They can take an education while in prison, actually. David Toska did just that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Toska
http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/nokas/artikkel.php?artid=159635
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-08-27 22:00:08 UTC
I think we can take just a few hints from Saudi Arabia... stealing: first offense, cut off the left hand. 2nd offense, cut off the right hand.... there is no 3rd offense P

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