Ships & Modules

You aren't imagining things...

Have a look at that the naga can do at that range, with a similar setup.

It ain't right, but it's true.

You are overlooking a few minor details (when you just compute rad in the accuracy equation), but overall they are completely outstanding as a class like that.

Within the class i tend to agree with you about the Talos. I consider it the best, but all of them are functional, have their own little corner to shine or excel and there will definately be other oppinions voiced about which one is the best among them.

For me, the tracking bonus, the drones and how both the rails and blasters adapt, along with general application and mobility make the Talos the best overall.

The Tornado have two eligable LR fits (since even with AC it has a ridiculous falloff around 70km) and the capless weapons make it appealing for yet another new overpowered introduction: ASB, while the Oracle have a similar appeal of LR and more LR plus some interesting offside tricks like armor tanking it. The Naga have it's rail range and raw straight application at that range which make it appealing in larger gangs, but i don't see much outside application apart from that (extreme range blasters in all honor, but it doesn't hit breakpoints between tackle ranges, while slow and slot-impaired).

EFT'd an AB on a cruiser and did a damage graph test. At 90deg transversal full velocity 536m/s with AB on (155 sig) cruiser is still hit for more than 100dps more by Talos than Muninn at 100km

Unless EFT is wrong of course

but it does track better lol, the gun res is just a damage modifier

It can track faster but can't hit smaller targets as hard due to larger calibre and 'spread' of the projectile. At least that's how i remember it from an old flash tracking tutorial.

Yep looking at the formula it looks like when you shoot something with larger sig than your guns your tracking speed actually increases and vice versa. Makes no sense but there you go

Heh, ok so now we can all agree that the Talos tracks significantly worse than the Muninn. It just has a lot higher base DPS. :)

-Liang

Don't forget you can use a Talos as a nano-HAC and not only a sniper ship. Sure, the tracking / lack of neut if you screw up is somewhat of a pain (but good enough, especially when you add the Talos's speed to it), but it has absolutely absurd DPS compared to classic nano HACs and very similar speed to a Vagabond.

They're just poorly thought out ships (much like the ASB is a poorly thought out module); they more or less obsolete normal BCs (well, Drake has some purpose because it has a lot more EHP and can project damage reasonably well) for fighting beyond point blank range and a whole lot of other things.

Of course, it's CCP; people say that battlecruisers were historically "cruisers with BS guns", disregarding the fact that Tier 1 & Tier 2 BCs were more balanced in comparison, and CCP goes on to add that.

As for tracking, sig resolution is merely a modifier in the tracking formula, nothing else. It may or may not make sense to you, but it's how the game works.

Seconded.

HACs should basically perform like Tech3s set up for DPS, minus the flexibility of swapping out subsystems. Right now, T3s equipped for DPS significantly outperform HACs.

talos is by far the best with a long point and null loaded blasters, ganky gank biatches!